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RE: About Missions in GTA IV
Sorry not quite understand the meaning of "By following the arrows it is implied that you can skip missions", and please tell me if it has any error of the chart. Gibea (talk) 02:32, March 12, 2014 (UTC)
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- We need to keep all warnings on talk pages so we can keep record.
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• Given reason: Removal of factual information. Read Rooftop Rumble
RE: GTAwiki mistakes
I thought I'd provide some context as to why your FIB page edit was rescinded. Simple answer is that whil yes, the models are technically Devin Security models, they are referred to as FIB regardless, in both the High Life update official patch notes:
- 50% of FIB agents present at the start of the mission now have high accuracy.
- Additional FIB agents spawn as players attack the parking garage. The agents spawn in two waves of cars.
- After all the agents on foot in the parking lot and the first wave of agents in cars are killed, the mission will either progress in 30 seconds or require players to finish off all FIB agents.
- The FIB agent carrying the documents Martin wants now spawns in a vehicle as the mission progresses."
and the in-game description of the mission:
- "We all know the FIB listen to our calls, read our emails, Lifeinvader alerts, and Bleets, but it turns out they actually get soem useful information as well. So useful, I will pay you heavily to get it back off them for me. Ambush the team, and bring their files to my place. You'll be rewarded."
- ―In-game description.
Additionally, reusing models from other sources despite having perfectly good models already is not outside the realms of Rockstar. We still call them as FIB as they are referred to as such multiple times. Good day. BolbiiS (Talk ~ Edits) 13:52, July 2, 2020 (UTC)
- Did you even read the official Rockstar supplied patch notes that I cited in the references section 2-3 years ago? The developers position on which faction is which in this mission is 100% clear and unambiguous and I re-wrote much of it accordingly with supporting screenshots from multiple RockstarEditor captured playthroughs. We can only speculate why they used generic bodyguard model sets for both factions rather than FIB and Professionals ped models. But they did. And they haven't changed them in at least 4 patches and exploit hotfixes that they have made to this particular job, so we have to assume that the model choice is deliberate. Smurfy: illuminate - communicate - spectate 15:58, July 2, 2020 (UTC) Please excuse any typos made at 4am on my phone.
- " So strongly to call it a “Factual” And not consider that the reinforcements are on the behalf of the Professionals"
- If you're suggesting that the Professionals gave a Fugitive to the FIB reinforcement group, there's really no way to prove that. It's much more likely that the Fugitive is owned by the FIB, especially as when the documents are taken by the single agent, he drives away and to Stoner Cement Works in a Fugitive as well, something you can see in the gallery of our Rooftop Rumble page, and in the official patch notes I added in my last response:
- "The FIB agent carrying the documents Martin wants now spawns in a vehicle (a Fugitive) as the mission progresses."
- I hope you understand now why we are leaving the page as it is. BolbiiS (Talk ~ Edits) 16:10, July 2, 2020 (UTC)
- I've made some further enhancements to the details of Rooftop Rumble, specifically about the vehicles, number of combatants and armament, and I cleaned up a bit of the version history. Pretty sure the s_m_m_highsec_01 and s_m_m_highsec_02 ped modelsets are used for the Professionals as well as the s_m_y_devinsec_01 ones being used for the FIB. Going to verify that before adding that info to article.
- You'll note I mentioned specifically that there are two other vehicles that always spawn in the parking lot, and it's pretty clear from the relative positioning that the FIB agents arrived in the FIB Grangers and the Professionals arrived in the Fugitives (note the opened doors). There is also always a civilian Granger at the end (The Professionals' vehicle of choice in many missions) with another Fugitive. I don't have any detailed enough video of the earlier versions of the mission when the chase vehicles were Grangers to be able to verify whether they were FIB Grangers or Professionals' civilian ones. I'm pretty sure they were civilian ones though.
- So yes, two factions can own and operate the same model of vehicle. Pretty sure the Baller is pretty popular with two opposing gang factions too.
- Does it make more sense for the incoming FIB reinforcements and the runaway FIB agent to have been using FIB Grangers instead of Fugitives? Sure. But they don't. It could be an error, or it could be intentional. Remember the Fugitive's "Law Enforcement" reference in its website sales blurb. It is not out of the realms of probability for it to be an undercover FIB vehicle. Smurfy: illuminate - communicate - spectate 05:03, July 3, 2020 (UTC)