Hi, welcome to GTA Wiki. Thanks for contributing to the File:Derek.jpg page, and for taking interest in the wiki. Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything, or as alternatives, leave a post on a forum, or refer to the Help pages. The Tom (talk) 02:28, February 14, 2014 (UTC)


Please stop adding that the Warrener is a replacement for the Esperanto. They're completely different cars made by completely different manufacturers. Not to mention the Warrener is clearly a much older car. The only similarity is that they're four-doors.--Leigh Burne (Talk) (Contribs) 18:25, June 20, 2014 (UTC)

Simply being boxy in design isn't enough. One is a heavy, cumbersome American saloon, the other is a lightweight, sporty Japanese (or European, according to the in-game description) one. And again, you've totally overlooked the fact the Warrener is clearly a far older car. If you're trying to say that the development team intended it to be a replacement in terms of game mechanics, I hope you have some proof to back that up.
Oh, and please sign your posts on other people's talk pages.--Leigh Burne (Talk) (Contribs) 08:16, June 23, 2014 (UTC)


Crews aren't canon so they shouldn't be a main page article. You can however creat a crew page, just add "Crews/" before the name of the crew when creating the article - so it would be named "Crews/Domination". Tom Talk 22:13, June 21, 2014 (UTC)

Land Mass Theory

Glad to hear you like my theory. I'm planning on expanding on it eventually. --RadicalEdward2 (talk) 21:47, July 1, 2014 (UTC)


Edit war is not good. Stop putting false information on the Swift page. Acabgta11 (talk) 21:20, August 23, 2014 (UTC)

RE: Deuteragonist Trivia

Who exactly is looking for quick information on deuteragonists? Who is thinking "I wonder how many female deuteragonists there are?". If they want to know they can skim the page; it won't take any longer. If we just list every obvious fact then the trivia sections become excessively long and redundant. I understand that trivia is essentially just obvious facts by definition, but that's not the definition we use on the Wiki; for the aforementioned reason. It's known as 'sky is blue' trivia, and it should be avoided. Tom Talk 23:16, September 20, 2014 (UTC)

Military use of the Bodhi

The website states that the military used to use the Bodhi. Here is the exact quote, so, the proof.

"The Canis Bodhi has traveled the well-trodden path from military to redneck to hipster. This 'gently used' model is the definition of retro chic; every stain on the seat tells a story." - from the Bodhi page.


Trevor owning a Bodhi is not enough to say the Bodhi was possibly used by the Canadian military. If he was Russian would that mean the Bodhi was a Russian Military vehicle ? RainingPain17 (Talk - Edits - Blogs) 16:05, October 12, 2014 (UTC)

I just posted something on the trivia section. That part is more keen to speculation like this. Sorry for putting it in the vehicles section. Mortsnarg (talk) 16:16, October 12, 2014 (UTC)

I reverted it. Why couldn't the Bodhi be a US military vehicle ? Yes, it is a beater, but as the description mentions it is used by rednecks, who usually drive beater vehicles as depicted in GTA V. Plus, the vehicle on which it is based on, the Kaiser Jeep M715, was a U.S. military vehicle. And also, you should rather not answer on your talk page because I could miss your answer. RainingPain17 (Talk - Edits - Blogs) 16:20, October 12, 2014 (UTC)

As I'd like it to be settled, here's a couple of reasons of why I don't believe it is related to Canada.

  1. (and most important) The Kaiser Jeep M715 was manufactured in America for the U.S. Army
  2. Trevor was in the Air Force, therefore owning a ground vehicle is unlikely.
  3. The website where it can be bought is American, and it only mentions "military", which means either it was used by the U.S. Army or by several military forces.

RainingPain17 (Talk - Edits - Blogs) 16:33, October 12, 2014 (UTC)

As I'd like to point out:

1. Just because it was developed in real life by an an American manufacturer does not mean that it is developed in the game by one. The Miljet, for example, is based on the Bombardier CRJ200 which is a Canadian plane developed in Quebec, Canada. In the game however it's made for the U.S. Military. (the Air Force) Just because it's made in real life by or for a nation doesn't mean it's representing the same nation in the game.

2. Trevor was still a part of the Canadian military as a whole (and the Air Force probably wouldn't be STRICTLY air vehicles.) When he was discharged it's likely that they would given him some compensation (or maybe he stole one) so the Bodhi would make a conveniant car to give or to steal as it would be a Canadian military car and it would be common around Canada.

3. It is American but it has different vehicles from different parts of the globe, such as the Kalahari from France, the Panto from general Europe but mainly France and the Pigalle from Italy so the fact that the website is American doesn't mean that the cars sold on it are. Lastly, when it says military, that can mean ANY military. It isn't just exclusive to the U.S. military. That's my point.

I can understand why you think what you think. Hopefully you'll allow me to add that piece of trivia on the Military page and maybe the Bodhi page Mortsnarg (talk) 17:14, October 12, 2014 (UTC)

In that case leave the Military page and add it only to the Bodhi page. RainingPain17 (Talk - Edits - Blogs) 17:19, October 12, 2014 (UTC)

Okay, i'm glad to see that we could work this out. Mortsnarg (talk) 17:21, October 12, 2014 (UTC)


I removed the links because there's no reason the word "new" should link to the Duke O'Death, and the word "vehicles" to the Seaplane. It should be obvious what a link directs to, not just some random word that doesn't have any association.--Leigh Burne (Talk) (Contribs) 17:52, November 16, 2014 (UTC)

About that; the linking is unnecessary because these two vehicles are not the only vehicles that are unlocked through challenges. The Go Go Monkey Blista and the stock cars must be unlocked as well. Monolith Patch Rain - Talk SCS Freedom 21:42, November 16, 2014 (UTC)
I know that. The reason I linked the the Duke O' Death and Dodo Seaplane there was because it wasn't linked anywhere else, unlike the Go Go Monkey Blista and stock cars. It is unlocked through challenges, as Rockstar stated, but what you do in these challenges is unknown so it would be best just to put it into an already existing category for both of them until the challenges are revealed. Mortsnarg (talk) 22:09, November 16, 2014 (UTC)
I see the page has now been altered to a more acceptable format, so any response I had is now moot.--Leigh Burne (Talk) (Contribs) 08:52, November 17, 2014 (UTC)
The linking is still incorrect. Links for the Duke O'Death and the Dodo are provided in the list of new vehicles, and these two are not the only vehicles to be unlocked through challenges; the Go Go Monkey Blista requires a mission to be completed first, the stock cars must be unlocked through stock car racing as well, the Kraken requires also a mission to be completed. I put it back to Leigh Burne's version, and I provided enough reasons to remove the two links. Monolith Patch Rain - Talk SCS Freedom 11:58, November 17, 2014 (UTC)


Although everyone is welcome to make constructive contributions here, at least one of your recent edits, such as the one you made to "User:Mildredkicker26", appears to be an act of vandalism, and has been reverted. If you continue to vandalize any pages, you will receive a block for an appropriate amount of time. Please refrain from doing so in the future. Thank you.
The fact that this user is a vandal does not allow you to post insults on his user page. Monolith Patch Rain - Talk SCS Freedom 17:23, November 22, 2014 (UTC)


As users, all we can do is add the move template (like I did) and draw it to the attention of an admin or beurocrat who can do the rename. Or we can recreate the page with the new name and redirect the old one to the correct name if we feel the incorrect name may still be useful.  smurfy (coms) 04:32, December 10, 2014 (UTC)

I think we should get the attention of an admin to rename the page page. Recreating seems like to much extra work when we can just rename it. Mortsnarg (talk) 05:57, December 10, 2014 (UTC)

Image Policy

Hey Morts, I just saw a picture that you uploaded in the Sandy Shores article, I know i'm not a patroller and anything else, but you should have cropped the picture to remove those black stripes and add a license to the picture, last but not least, the most adequate name for the picture is "Sandy-Shores-GTAV-Snowy.jpg" Signature (talk) 22:45, December 24, 2014 (UTC)

I just removed it, not only for the problems above but it should have been added to the gallery, not left "in-line" with text at the top of the page. Re-do it with the fixes Andre suggests, re-upload with a proper name and licence and put it in the gallery and all will be good.  smurfy (coms) 22:58, December 24, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your concerns, guys. I orignally wanted to just add it too the gallery as a contrast to the regular Sandy Shores and I took the pic on Snapmatic, downloaded it to my computer from my Social Club and tried to upload it to the gallery but screwed up somewhere in the process. I got it into the wiki but had trouble moving it. I saw a slight shift in the page format, but thought nothing of it. Later, I went through the page and saw the picture there beneath the infobox and I clicked on it, but none of the options said 'delete'. To prevent further problems and let someone who knew what they were doing delete/move it which is what you guys did. I'm not sure how to upload something to the gallery properly and how to get a pic deleted either. If one of you two or someone you know could help me with this, that would be great. Happy Holidays!Mortsnarg (talk) 00:55, December 25, 2014 (UTC)

Sorry I missed this reply over the holidays. I have had some trouble with the gallery tools myself in the past, particularly the lack of functionality to add the licence when adding an image to an existing gallery. You have 2 options for gallery modifications to easily comply with the image policy. 

1. Use the "Add a photo to this gallery" button and add the licence later. Runs the risk of it being removed while you are adding the licence.

1. Upload the image
2. Save the page
3. Edit the source code of the image page to add the licence
== Licensing ==
{{gtav screenshot}}
4. Save the image page

2. Use the source editor to add a photo to the page and move it into the gallery. The way I do it.

1. Select the source editor 
2. Use the Add Photo option to upload and add the licence and caption using the GUI - you will see something like: [[File:name-GTAV-description.png|thumb|Caption]] in your source editor.
3. Edit the source code to remove the file prefix and thumbnail to make it name-GTAV-description.png|Caption
4. Cut and paste the edited image string into the gallery
Existing-image1.png|Existing caption1
Existing-image2.png|Existing caption2
Existing-image3.png|Existing caption3
Hope that helps. smurfy (coms) 00:44, January 6, 2015 (UTC)


I deleted parts of the trivia section because I consider these are not trivial.

Here's what Tom wrote you a while ago:
"Who exactly is looking for quick information on deuteragonists? Who is thinking "I wonder how many female deuteragonists there are?". If they want to know they can skim the page; it won't take any longer. If we just list every obvious fact then the trivia sections become excessively long and redundant. I understand that trivia is essentially just obvious facts by definition, but that's not the definition we use on the Wiki; for the aforementioned reason. It's known as 'sky is blue' trivia, and it should be avoided.".

I was deleting this 'sky is blue'. Facts such as "A is the only B that C", "A is the first/only B to C" are sky is blue. Monolith Patch Rain - Talk SCS Freedom 16:05, December 25, 2014 (UTC)

You can re-add your trivia point, but try avoiding the "the only to" part. Just say "Roman has been mentioned in every game of the HD Universe [...]". The "only" part is uninteresting to me. Monolith Patch Rain - Talk SCS Freedom 16:58, December 25, 2014 (UTC)

Bodhi revisited

See the talk page of the article for my reasons for agreeing with Jspyster1's removal of your trivia note.  smurfy (coms) 04:30, January 6, 2015 (UTC)

Solomon Richards quote.

I gave the good reason in my initial revert. This quote has been seen to be appropriate  by every other editor who has touched the page since it was originally added in November 2013. There was no need to change it.  smurfy (coms) 23:47, January 13, 2015 (UTC)

If you want to continue to discuss changing it, open a discussion on the talk page. Do not edit war.  smurfy (coms) 23:56, January 13, 2015 (UTC)


See the Talk page, this has already been ruled out here.  smurfy (coms) 03:36, January 15, 2015 (UTC)

No. We don't need to put it in the article. How many other pieces of "some people think this but it isn't true" do you think there will be. It is irrelevant.  smurfy (coms) 04:03, January 15, 2015 (UTC)

Good work starting an article talk discussion about it. I've just noticed how many of your edits I've reverted lately. Sorry if it seems like I've been picking on you, it's certainly not intentional. You are making a lot of good edits to go outweigh the ones we have disagreed on. So keep it up.  smurfy (coms) 05:52, January 15, 2015 (UTC)

RE: Quick Q?

On the right hand side of the page in the tab Add Features and Media it says Table. LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 17:03, January 15, 2015 (UTC)

What browser do you use? I personally recommend Google Chrome as that is what I use and it is fine. LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 17:30, January 15, 2015 (UTC)
You are probably using the new visual editor. The right side toolbox is different in that editor

Although the standard table you get from the insert table tool will look different, the other tables you see often use css formatting styles, eg wikitable. To get them looking alike, you'll need to view the source code of the page as you are editing and copy & paste the code from the vehicles table. Hope this helps. smurfy (coms) 20:07, January 15, 2015 (UTC)

Thank you guys! This really did help. Mortsnarg (talk) 23:14, January 15, 2015 (UTC)

Most editors learn how to do something just by copying existing stuff and then tweaking it. e.g. look at the source of The Last Team Standing Update, to get this table:

Image Name Description
130px Marksman Rifle The Marksman Rifle is a sniper rifle based on the M39 EMR.
130px Heavy Shotgun The Heavy Shotgun is a shotgun based on the Saiga-12K.

The source code looks like:
{| class="wikitable"
! Image
! Name
! Description
| [[File:Marksman Rifle GTAV.png|130px]]
| [[Marksman Rifle]]
|The Marksman Rifle is a sniper rifle based on the [[wp:M39 Enhanced Marksman Rifle|M39 EMR]].
| [[File:Heavy Shotgun GTAV.png|130px]]
| [[Heavy Shotgun]]
|The Heavy Shotgun is a shotgun based on the [[wp:Saiga-12|Saiga-12K]].
The wikitable class pre-sets the formatting of the table so you don't need to worry about background colours, widths etc.

If you are trying something completely new to you and are worried about breaking a page or looking like a vandal, then create a sandbox under your own user page to test and learn. e.g. User:Mortsnarg/Sandbox smurfy (coms) 00:09, January 16, 2015 (UTC)

Thank You Smurfy! Mortsnarg (talk) 00:15, January 16, 2015 (UTC)

This is all I did to fix the formatting of your table.  smurfy (coms) 01:10, January 16, 2015 (UTC)


I just noticed that you live in Seattle, this is exactly where I want to visit this year, please, tell me about the place? Signature (talk) 17:27, January 15, 2015 (UTC)

That's good to know, i'm glad someone confirmed that the place is that nice :) Signature (talk) 12:45, January 16, 2015 (UTC)

Easter Eggs

Did you intend to remove the Breaking Bad reference when you added the Psycho reference, and if so, why?  smurfy (coms) 07:58, January 19, 2015 (UTC)

Cheers, that's what I figured so I didn't revert, since I haven't seen it myself either. I'll keep my eye out for it and see if we can grab some evidence.  smurfy (coms) 22:10, January 19, 2015 (UTC)


Can you check out Requests for Promotion. --Sasquatch101 (talk) 03:09, January 20, 2015 (UTC)

RE: Music

I just copy and pasted then swapped the copied url with the url of the music video on youtube that I selected. LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 16:29, January 20, 2015 (UTC)

This is what I did to fix it for you.  smurfy (coms) 00:01, January 23, 2015 (UTC)

RE: Jesus

It might be bad timing I know, but I think it's best that active users hold the senior positions. Thanks mate, good luck to you too. Tom Talk 23:00, January 21, 2015 (UTC)

Edit warring

You are on the verge of edit warring on the Grand Theft Auto: Vice City Stories page. Edit warring is against our policy. Don't do it again. Messi1983 (talk) 19:57, January 25, 2015 (UTC)

After leaving the message you reverted another user's edit on the same page again which makes it edit warring. Messi1983 (talk) 20:18, January 25, 2015 (UTC)
I want to thank you for at least leaving a message about it on the talk page. It's a shame that most users would not do that and just go ahead and revert edits anyway and start an edit war. Messi1983 (talk) 20:27, January 25, 2015 (UTC)
You are close to edit warring again. Also, do not post long rants on edits summaries. If you want to take the matter up with the user, post to their talk page. Leo68 (talk) 04:46, January 28, 2015 (UTC)
I wasn't edit warring. I was explaining how the situation could have been handled better. I don't think it needed a post on either the articles or Smurfnz' talk page and I would have done so if it was needed. If the edit or any of the edits I think need to be kept are reverted more than once I would be sure to go to the users talk page, or better yet, go on the articles talk page to see what other people have to say about it. Mortsnarg (talk) 05:02, January 28, 2015 (UTC)

Split links in one word

Like this: "for seventh and eighth generation consoles" are a really terrible idea and should be avoided. smurfy (coms) 04:25, January 28, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, I know it has been common, doesn't mean it's right. As for that trailing empty trivia section, when I'm creating bulk pages from a template, I will quite often leave empty sections to ensure the template layout is continued by future editors. It can be deleted on subsequent edits, especially if it's unlikely to be used in the future.  smurfy (coms) 06:48, January 28, 2015 (UTC)


I stand corrected. Apologies. SJWalker (talk) 01:23, January 31, 2015 (UTC)

It's all good man, just please research something before removing. Mortsnarg (talk) 01:28, January 31, 2015 (UTC)

The reason I deleted it was because Lester is not listed as a deuteragonist on his page, and I'm sure I had looked at the deuteragonist page previously and not seen his name. SJWalker (talk) 01:30, January 31, 2015 (UTC)

It's alright, mistakes happen. Mortsnarg (talk) 01:32, January 31, 2015 (UTC)

Los Angeles

Good spot with the song on the USA page. When I cleaned the GTA World page, I had to remove a lot of posts mentioning songs, with the following sentence being "This is strange because the GTA counterpart is X". It isn't strange. Most songs in GTA games are from the 1970s and 1980s, long before GTA was thought of. I'm looking out for similar but if you see any other like that then simply remove them. Thanks man. SJWalker (talk) 19:18, February 13, 2015 (UTC)

Any time! Mortsnarg (talk) 01:17, February 14, 2015 (UTC)

Creating pages issue

See if this helps:

If it does, just add the {{create}} template to your user page so you can use it whenever you need it.  smurfy (coms) 05:33, February 15, 2015 (UTC)

Thank you! I just created the article. It's the "Yucca Motel" one. If you could help out on it with the picture and all, that would be excellent. Mortsnarg (talk) 07:35, February 15, 2015 (UTC)

Nevermind about the picture, I got it taken care of. Mortsnarg (talk) 07:56, February 15, 2015 (UTC)

I have surveyed that location in the past, I didn't actually feel the lone sign warranted a page. Your beta speculation is way off and will continue to be removed. smurfy (coms) 08:26, February 15, 2015 (UTC)  

Alright. I stopped reverting it back because I didn't want to start an edit war and I'm a bit tired of getting into debates about really trivial, unnecassary things. The reason I created a page about it was because it's interesting to me that there would be a motel sign, but no actual motel. There are more pointless pages on the wiki, this at least had some sort of unusual factor to it that would make the need to have the page created. Mortsnarg (talk) 08:37, February 15, 2015 (UTC)

I'm not suggesting the page is unnecessary, just that I didn't think it was worth my time to document and create. It was when I was doing the Sandy Shores derelict motel research and I remember looking for real-life Salton Sea locations at the time to see what the Yucca Motel may have been based on. smurfy (coms) 08:56, February 15, 2015 (UTC)

Well, it was worth my time. I've always loved the Stab City part of the map, and making a page on something that I've personally taken an interest into, is good and I learned a thing or two about the name and what it was based on. BTW, did you find any real-life inspirations? Mortsnarg (talk) 18:08, February 15, 2015 (UTC)

RE: Page Creation

Sure, let me know what it is called and also its location in-game so I can gather images of the motel. LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 09:17, February 15, 2015 (UTC)

It's alright, Vaultboy. I already got the page created and all that's needed is a picture of the parking lot from the little factory or hill across the street. Mortsnarg (talk) 18:03, February 15, 2015 (UTC)

Dave Norton

Yep, that looks better thanks. Sorry for me being pedantic, it's just I personally think having a "A is the only B that C" trivia post is not trivial as it is not an "interesting" fact, just an obvious one. On some articles I've seen, such as safehouses, most of the trivia sections was full of descriptions and amenities in the various safehouses, which could easily have been integrated into the main article and then you're left with one or two "standalone" trivia facts. I personally find trivia sections interesting, but in my opinion a trivia section containing two or three interesting facts is better than one full of "A-B-C" or "sky is blue" facts. I agree that Rain was too hasty to remove the post, but I think it was the "Dave is the only..." opening that swayed him. If that sort of thing can be avoided in future by us all then things should be fine. SJWalker (talk) 00:39, February 18, 2015 (UTC)

No worries. I have no problem with you or your edits, as your edits are generally good. If it's seemed I've "picked on" you in the past (like on the GTA Songs Wiki) I can assure you it's nothing personal and I apologise for it. I've been guilty in the past of posting "A-B-C" posts. I'm always on the lookout but if you see any glitches in the trivia section, then can you create a seperate "glitches" heading please? That way the trivia sections become less cluttered. In the past I've seen some trivia posts which contain events which occur after a certain mission, which isn't trivial since it's a continuation of the story. One request I will make though, is that I have noticed you writing in the first person on a couple of pages. When writing on the wiki can you please write in the third person (I've been guilty in the past too). I haven't seen you write in the first person for a long while but it's just a reminder. Thanks man. SJWalker (talk) 00:57, February 18, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks man. You too. SJWalker (talk) 01:27, February 18, 2015 (UTC)

Dead Wiki

Hey Morts, I saw you talking to Smashbro on how dead this wiki is feeling, you said that The Terminator wiki had its last edit in about 4 days ago. Ha! I'm the admin of the Scarface wiki, when I got there, the last edit was 6 months ago, I was the only editor there until october or november, when Ultimate94ninja and two other guys came there to do something. Signature (talk/stalk/blog) 01:07, February 18, 2015 (UTC)

Lol, there's no wiki that's more dead than my Wii Wiki and Driv3r Wiki (Driver 3 Wiki). On both wikis, I am the only active contributor. Smashbro8-Sig-pt1 (Smashbro8-Sig-pt2) 01:14, February 18, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8

Also, the Red Dead Wiki is literally Red and Dead xD Signature (talk/stalk/blog) 01:19, February 18, 2015 (UTC)

Jesus.... I remember a while back (when I started looking around on Wikia) I went to the Breaking Bad Wiki and saw the last edit at 24 hours. I remember being so used to the kind of editing and open-ness that this wiki has, and seeing one with a day since the last edit surprising me. About the Red Dead Wiki; I remember going there on a regular basis. This was before I joined Wikia, the summer of 2013. I started playing RDR way too much and it got to a point were that was all I would do. So I went on the wiki as a source of info about the game and I didn't notice the "recent edits" or anything like that. I bet if and when Rockstar comes out with a new RDR game, the wiki will be actually active again. Mortsnarg (talk) 01:28, February 18, 2015 (UTC)


what up, I think you should change the crew cars. because the warrener is way to expensive plus I just sold it change it to the faggio scooter brothers!!!!!! jk I like the cars keep up the good work

Kuruma image

There is no dispute the Kuruma is going to be in the Heists update and it has been oficially named by Rockstar. What has not been released is the ability to take the type of images that have now been removed. They were proper "posed" front quarter views of the helicopeter and Kuruma.  smurfy (coms) 08:09, February 21, 2015 (UTC)

I know. I saw the pictures. The thing that I was mentioning was that it technically appeared in the Heist Trailer in the background, behind the Heist Planner (source). I know that you can't post images of unreleased content onto pages. What I'm saying is that the images seen were technically in the Heist Trailer, just at a lower resulution. Like I said on Rains page as a closing statement, the page should be left as is (except from grammatical errors) until any official announcement or release from Rockstar. Mortsnarg (talk) 08:19, February 21, 2015 (UTC)

Miami Vice

Just noticed "Watch through all of Miami Vice" in your to-do list... Miami Vice rules!--UserSigLeighBurne (talk) 08:57, February 26, 2015 (UTC)

The pilot's good, but honestly I found the series took a little while to get going. By about a third-to-halfway through the first season though, it really picks up. Then seasons 2 and 3 are amazing. Season 4 is super uneven. Some of the episodes are really good, some literally terrible, I've no idea what they were doing. As for season 5, most people seem to dislike it, but I thought it was awesome again. It got really dark and gritty. Miami Vice is one of my favourite TV shows. Like I said, you get the odd episode that's kinda naff, but when it's good, it's really damn good. Gotta love them pastel suits :D --UserSigLeighBurne (talk) 16:34, February 26, 2015 (UTC)
Oh yeah, I absolutely intend to watch Breaking Bad at some point. Just haven't got around to it yet :D --UserSigLeighBurne (talk) 09:06, February 27, 2015 (UTC)


I agree with you. I have never seen a Los Santos Rock Radio building in Burton, just a few billboards appear around LS. Leo68 (talk) 06:20, March 1, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing it out. I have banned the user who leaked info, it is the same image another user was warned for but the title matched so he's banned for abusing multiple accounts. Leo68 (talk) 07:14, March 1, 2015 (UTC)

hey i found leaked photos on the gta v heist update

DLC size

I would always expect PS4/Xb1 DLC file size to be larger than PS3/Xb360 even when their content is identical, simply due to detail in the new consoles. For example the texture files for a single vehicle would be much larger. I don't know if the 3D models have a higher polygon count but I suspect they do. So far, on PS4 at least, all title updates that I have seen have been 1.4GB. Rockstar have stated unequivocally that the "same" DLC will be available over all platforms. smurfy (coms) 05:04, March 9, 2015 (UTC)


Knock yourself. Tomorrow. Leo68 (talk) 22:53, March 9, 2015 (UTC)

I'm doing a night shift for the night of the 10th into the 11th so I'll be here all night to edit and check out the new content. Leo68 (talk) 23:06, March 9, 2015 (UTC)

I'll let you know and you can do the same. Spammers usually pick up during releases and this will be no different. I can remove the upcoming templates while the update installs. Leo68 (talk) 23:15, March 9, 2015 (UTC)

Someone beat you to the Casco page, though it is still pretty bare as I type this message, and you are going to be full-time on the masks. The heist update went overboard on masks! smurfy (coms) 09:49, March 10, 2015 (UTC)

Just off to bed (2am here) but yeah I probably won't be much help on the masks as I won't be getting my hands on the PS4 controller for a while. By the way, per our earlier discussion on size... PS4 update = 4.75GB, PS3  update = 1.3GB smurfy (coms) 12:47, March 10, 2015 (UTC)

Staff RfP

Please vote here. smurfy (coms) 09:52, March 12, 2015 (UTC)


Hey Morts, have you ever considered sending a request for promotion? We need an eighth patroller and WildBrick isn't interested to apply, so besides him, you're the best candidate to apply for patroller rights, what do you think about that? Signature (talk/stalk/blog) 18:07, March 23, 2015 (UTC)

I think you should. You're a very good editor and you discuss disputes with others rather than create edit wars. We need an eighth patroller and you fit the bill. SJWalker (talk) 18:13, March 23, 2015 (UTC)

I agree with Andre and Sam. You do great here and you seem to fit the role of a patroller. Smashbro8-Sig-pt1 (Smashbro8-Sig-pt2) 18:30, March 23, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8

I appreciate the suggestion very much gentlemen, but I honestly don't think I would be ready. I had been thinking about the position of patroller over the last week or so, seeing so many promotions (successful or not) occur, but I want to take care of some things and improve in areas that I'm lacking in, such as persevering through the work on pages (i.e. the mask page, with all the updating). I may put in a request for the patroller position in the next month or so. I need time think about it and I believe I'm pretty close, but not completely there. Once again, thanks for the suggestion guys! It makes me happy to think that you guys believe I'm ready! I just have things I need to take care of and improve on the wiki, before it would be right to take a step up. Mortsnarg (talk) 18:37, March 23, 2015 (UTC)

That's okay. Take your time! It's always best to apply when you are ready and think you can handle it than when you don't! It took me two requests to become a patroller, because the first time, I wasn't ready. Hope that helps! Smashbro8-Sig-pt1 (Smashbro8-Sig-pt2) 18:45, March 23, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8

Thank you! Yeah, it's good to know that. I'm going to be looking into the specifics of it and I want to get to 1,000 edits by the time I get to patroller. I'm already close enough, so it shouldn't take any longer than a month. Have a nice day! Mortsnarg (talk) 20:11, March 23, 2015 (UTC)

I also suggest you apply for promotion. You're a really consistent and good editor here. You should request :-) MONKEYPOLICE188 (talk) | (stalk) 21:09, March 23, 2015 (UTC)

There's one position now, and there'll soon be two. You can go for it if you want to. Leo68 (talk) 01:18, March 25, 2015 (UTC)

I gotta thank all of you for suggesting this, I just don't feel I'm ready. I won't drag this out any longer, but I don't think that I should become patroller at this very time. I'll give it a few weeks/ 1 month to look over it and get some improvements done. If the spots get taken in that time, it's unfortunate. I don't want to seem like I'm blowing any of you guys off, I wouldn't do that. I'm extremely thankful that you would suggest something like this for me, but as stated before, I'll give it no longer than a month (and maybe even less) to post somehting about it. Thank you all for this! I hope you understand my reasoning for waiting a little... Mortsnarg (talk) 01:33, March 25, 2015 (UTC)

Well there's four other candidates so maybe you can apply in a few months. Two patrollers are inactive so there may a position soon. Leo68 (talk) 01:44, March 25, 2015 (UTC)

That's the plan. I saw Camilo was going to apply, seems like good timing if there's no surprises. Like I said, if the position is open, 1-4 weeks max is the timeframe I plan to apply in. If all the slots are filled, It'll be unfortunate and be caused by me and me alone, but it may happen. There will most likely be more slots in the future to apply, but I hope it doesn't come to that. Once again thank you all very much, I plan on applying very soon, I just need time to improve some minor habits of myself on the wiki. Mortsnarg (talk) 01:54, March 25, 2015 (UTC)

Just explain why you deserve the position and explain your work around the wiki. Leo68 (talk) 22:57, March 26, 2015 (UTC)

Sweet. Mortsnarg (talk) 22:58, March 26, 2015 (UTC)


In the Active Requests section, enter your request above Camillo's. Put which role you're applying for, tell us a bit about yourself and why you think you deserve the role, add a "Votes" and "Comments" heading. I'll move Camillo's to "inactive requests" so you can start a new post. SJWalker (talk) 22:59, March 26, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks man! Mortsnarg (talk) 23:03, March 26, 2015 (UTC)

No problem. I posted at the same time as Leon so apologies if it appeared I was over-explaining what you do. Like Leon said, just tell us why you deserve the role. That's all there is to it really. SJWalker (talk) 23:05, March 26, 2015 (UTC)


Congratulations, Alex, you are now a Patroller. Leo68 (talk) 22:56, March 27, 2015 (UTC)

Please pick a GTA artwork for your staff profile. Leo68 (talk) 23:12, March 27, 2015 (UTC)

Artwork, name colour done. You can put the template wherever you want it, it's normally on the top so above the infobox is fine. smurfy (coms) 00:07, March 28, 2015 (UTC)

Congratulations! You are now one of the patrollers of the gta wikia. I wish you good luck and also a good spring break! :D Aminsino (talk) 00:02, March 28, 2015 (UTC)aminsino

Congratulations on your promotion Alex. I'm sure you'll do a fine job. SJWalker (talk) 00:12, March 28, 2015 (UTC)

No problem, and as for the image, it's your choice so no problem. I'll ask Sean to size it and add it to your staff profile. Leo68 (talk) 00:54, March 28, 2015 (UTC)

Thank you Aminsino, Sam and Leon. Sounds good! Mortsnarg (talk) 01:16, March 28, 2015 (UTC)

Oh, and Sean! Thanks! Mortsnarg (talk) 01:28, March 28, 2015 (UTC)

Congrats on your promotion.Hunter(Talk/Stalk) 05:24, March 28, 2015 (UTC)

RE: Template

I agree with that idea. Try asking someone like WildBrick, he's good with templates. LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 18:53, April 22, 2015 (UTC)

RE:"Area" Template

Thanks! I made giant infobox a while back where you could select any title you want, specify whether it's an active/defunct business, etc. --> Template:Infobox location. I could add on things there for canyons, parks, deserts, etc. or I could create a separate template. Just let me know what headings you need for the infobox. V-michael-trunk-miniV-franklin-trunk-miniV-trevor-trunk-mini 14:48, April 23, 2015 (UTC)


I perfectly see what you mean. The thing is, the article intro is usually used like "A is a B that appeared in C". Stating that it also appears Online is kinda confusing because it would imply some of the locations in GTA V are not in GTA Online. Similarly, we never said a location also appeared in EFLC because they were featured in a couple of missions.

But if you really (and I mean really) think this addon is necessary, I would suggest something more like "It is prominently featured in a heist in GTA Online" or something alike. But tbh, "GTA V and GTA Online" sounds more weird and confusing.

Best. Monolith Patch Rain - Talk SCS Freedom 20:33, April 28, 2015 (UTC)

"Good news"

This is fucking bullshit, why did they do that??? EagleIcon AndreEagle17 PS3 Triangle PS3 Cross PS3 Circle 02:32, May 7, 2015 (UTC)

Maybe because of the paid mod thing on Steam that isn't working right? Make some money off it? It's incredibly dumb and even those fanboys on the official Rockstar forums can't spin this in a positve light. It's bullshit, nothing more, nothing less. Mortsnarg (talk) 02:39, May 7, 2015 (UTC)

RE: Happy birthday

Thanks Alex, I'm sure I will have a good day :) Sam Talk 10:42, May 12, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah Sam! You only turn 19 once! Hope oyu enjoy every second of it! :) Mortsnarg (talk) 14:21, May 12, 2015 (UTC)

GTA V Movie Reference

About the one I edited but aparently removed for some reason. I have a sreenshot to prove that his quote is true, but I'm not sure if this is allowed here ot not important.

Copy link and open to the new tab.

If not, then it's alright.

GTA Rouward (talk) 05:19, June 12, 2015 (UTC)

I've use my main account when I forgot this gta account. My apology for not awaring that.

GTA Rouward (talk) 05:32, June 12, 2015 (UTC)

I thank you for talking about it on my page, and I believe the quote in both scenarios, but GTA V (2013) was made before Big Hero 6 (2014). It couldn't have been a reference to something that wasn't made available to the general public yet. Mortsnarg (talk) 14:31, June 12, 2015 (UTC)

RE: Music on the Wiki

To be honest, I just copy and pasted someone elses and then put in my own YouTube video link. LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 10:14, August 11, 2015 (UTC)


Hey Alex, did you uninstall WhatsApp? I sent you a message on 8/13 and it didn't even deliver to your phone. EagleIcon AndreEagle17 PS3 Triangle PS3 Cross PS3 Circle 19:10, August 17, 2015 (UTC)

I didn't get a notification... You're pretty much the only person I talk to on that app so when the notifications went down, it's like I don't get a message at all, pretty annoying I guess. It's working now obviously! Mortsnarg (talk) 02:17, August 18, 2015 (UTC)

GTA Fanon Wiki

Hey. As part of our affiliation with the GTA Fanon Wiki, I have been asked to try and recruit new users for them who I think would be decent at making fanon stories. They said that most of the new users that they get just mess around and have bad writing skills. I am therefore sending out this message to all of the members of staff to ask for them to give it a try and see if they like it. I notice some of you making separate pages to the side of your profile which are about your own character or even game. So yeah, give it a try, and see how you do. You never know, you could find a new hobby. LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 06:48, August 19, 2015 (UTC) 

RE: GTA Wiki Crew/YouTube

Tony 1998 is in charge of the crew so message him about that. I own the YouTube channel but can't actually do anything with it as I have no way of making videos. With the YouTube channel, I'd just want someone who has the ability to make good quality videos, not ones which are just recorded with a crappy camera aimed at a TV/monitor. I have the email and password for that if anyone is interested in making videos for us. LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 21:42, August 22, 2015 (UTC)

GTA Wikia Crew Revival

Hey, Alex, I take it to heart that you want to revive the ol' GTAWC and take to battle other crews in GTA Online. :) This weekend, I'll update the member's tables on the page and then I'll go to the Social Club and check and accept GTA Wiki users who requested to join (with meeting the requirements of course :P). If we get everything set and ready, we can attempt to officially launch the crew mid-September.

--Tony42898 (Talker - Blogger - Stalker)-- 23:42, August 26, 2015 (UTC)

Oh, and the current emblem: it's not that I don't like it, I just wanted it there just to update the old one because the old design didn't feel GTA-ish. The true GTA emblem I envision is the wording of "GTA Wikia Crew/GTA Wiki Crew" in Pricedown-like font. and with images like guns and whatnot (also, can you still add stock images via Chrome's and/or Firefox's inspect element?). I'll let you go on ahead and let use your imagination on what the crew emblem should be for the GTA Wiki. I'll try to design a few of my own this weekend.
--Tony42898 (Talker - Blogger - Stalker)-- 04:04, August 27, 2015 (UTC)

Request for Promotion

Good day, I was advised by Leon Davis to send my request for promotion to the position of Patroller to all the current GTA Wiki Staff. The following was copied from the Requests for Promotion page, aside from the timestamp, which is current at the time of sending.

P.S.: I apologize if you have already responded on the Requests for Promotion page; this message was sent to all members of the GTA Wiki Staff, regardless of if they have already voted.

TAlim 1994 - Patroller

Good day sir/madam, I have an interest in the position of Patroller on this wiki. I have been active since 25 May 2015 on this wiki, but have been editing since 18 December 2012 (on Halo Nation), though I have been most active on this wiki. I have made 511 edits (at the time of writing this message) since joining this wiki: mostly minor spelling or grammatical corrections (a few of these edits were made within a short period of time to the same page due to missed errors in my earlier edit(s)), and a relatively small number of more major page changes. I have not had any warnings and/or blocks, and as far as I am aware, only two of my edits (excluding my personal templates) to date have been undone: one due to ignorance of context, the other due to a contentious trivia article which I am currently seeking to discuss with "RainingPain17" (see my Talk page for more information regarding these reversions). I also seek to help other users where possible. On a personal note, I am keen on the idea of being an observer/arbitrator, as I intend to study to qualify as a lawyer, and I regard this as a test of sorts. I hope that you will approve. Thank you for your time.

TAlim 1994 Konan T-A Lim (talk | contributions) 15:16, September 6, 2015 (UTC)


Hey Alex. Can you leave your opinion here? Thanks man. Smashbro8-Sig-pt1 (Smashbro8-Sig-pt2) 21:41, September 17, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8

Sure m8! Mortsnarg (talk) 21:47, September 17, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Congratulations

You're right, I do have to edit my profile page. Never thought that it'd be neccessary until now, and I never had time to do it anyways. But I'll be adding something to the page on the next days. Thank you for reminding me! Thegtaseeker96 (talk) 01:18, September 28, 2015 (UTC)

RE: Twitter

Well, I can't remember the Twitter password or username or anything. If I find it I'll let you know. LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 14:52, October 1, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, I had a look where I thought it would be but I didn't find it. LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 06:45, October 2, 2015 (UTC)
That's the account, I just can't remember the password. Someone at Wikia must be updating it as the account posted 4 days ago. LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 17:25, October 2, 2015 (UTC)

Jeff Harlingford

He can survive. If you kill his wife in his first encounter, his other 2 encounters will not appear. Andy A. (Talk | Contributions) 23:56, October 1, 2015 (UTC)


Actually, Jeff's encounters do not contribute towards 100% game completion, got it? Andy A. (Talk | Contributions) 01:01, October 2, 2015 (UTC)

Can you please change it back? His fate is determinant, alright? Like I said before, if you kill his wife in his first encounter, his other 2 encounters don't appear. Andy A. (Talk | Contributions) 01:04, October 2, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for changing it back man. :) Now let's just move on, alright? Andy A. (Talk | Contributions) 01:34, October 2, 2015 (UTC)


I found the password buried in my email. Is there anywhere private I can send it to you? LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 17:36, October 2, 2015 (UTC)

We could both go on chat at the same time and I'll send you it in a private message. LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 22:21, October 2, 2015 (UTC)
Okay m8! Here it is, just send a message. Mortsnarg (talk) 22:37, October 2, 2015 (UTC)


It didn't stop working, check the message there xD EagleIcon AndreEagle17 PS3 Triangle PS3 Cross PS3 Circle 00:03, October 7, 2015 (UTC)

Re: GTA Wikia Crew

Hey, Alex! I'm so sorry for replying to you regarding about the crew so late. The past month and the preceding weeks have been hectic for me due to school (senior year's a bitch) and other responsibilities (police, organizations, etc.) and I haven't been around on the wiki to get around that, let alone time for editing and playing video games in general. I really appreciate you reviving the crew from the dead and doing much you can to spread our GTA Wiki name across the Social Club community. Maybe you can go ahead and lay forth your ideas in a form of blog post or get the staff and some users on chat to get the ball rolling. Again, thank you for your help with the crew and hopefully by October 25, I can finally have some time to myself to get back on the wiki and the GTA Wiki crew. 

Take care brotha,

--Tony42898 (Talker - Blogger - Stalker)-- 03:44, October 17, 2015 (UTC)


Go ahead, I'll inform Tom. You can do this under my authority. "Bureaucratic decision." If the MoS says it should, then it should. Leo68 (talk) 22:39, October 17, 2015 (UTC)

Add the info from one page to another, things like the Primo it goes under variants. When it comes to the others, it's a veto, so I just need to hear back from Tom before that goes ahead, but he was in favour before so just be ready for that. When the Primo Custom info is moved, put the delete template on the custom page and I'll delete it. I'm going to take the conversation from Talk:Custom for reference. Can you look for the quote on MoS that states generational cars go under merge? Post it to my user talk. Leo68 (talk) 22:52, October 17, 2015 (UTC)

Request for Promotion

Good day, I have made a request for promotion to the position of Patroller. I have left this message to all GTA Wiki Staff and posted a copy of my application below for convenience. Please note that the timestamp on this message is current at the time of posting this message, not at the time of posting the Request for Promotion.

P.S.: I apologize if you have already responded on the Requests for Promotion page; this message was sent to all members of the GTA Wiki Staff, regardless of if they have already voted.

TAlim 1994 - Patroller (re-application)

Good day, I wish to re-apply for the position of Patroller. My reasons remain the same as my last application, and I only wish to add two other notes: firstly, as per the advice of other Staff members, I have attempted to take a more active role as a policy enforcer since my last application, and I have issued several Image Policy reminders to the appropriate users; secondly, I have now (at the time of writing this message) made 1,097 edits on this wiki (including the creation of one new page), approximately double the number of edits made since my previous application.

TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim (talk | contributions) 12:31, October 27, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Danny Trejo

I was quite amazed of Danny Trejo showing up to our school. Before then, my AP bio teacher saw the faculty email saying that he was going to show up as a special guest talking to the media and drama class/club students (which I am part of the club). I took it as bullshite, but soon enough when I was called out to go see him speak, I was like "so it's TRUE!?? DANNY MUTHAFUCKIN' TREJO??? HERE!!!?" And yep, saw him speak about his career; how he started from being bad by getting involved in drugs and fights to getting in films and helping big charity organizations. Soon after, he let us answer some questions and I asked him how acting in video games differs from acting in film and to coincide with that question, I did ask him about his role as himself in the Black Ops Zombie map, "Call of the Dead", and his role as a Cuban gang leader. Pretty interesting responses; mo-cap compared to acting in front of a camera lol. Everybody involved with the media and drama clubs/class were honored to have such a special guest appear to our small and rather to others, unknown town.

--Tony42898 (Talker - Blogger - Stalker)-- 04:38, November 5, 2015 (UTC) 


I sent in for Admin, can you vote? :) Monkeypolice188-Signature-2Monkeypolice188-Signature-4Monkeypolice188-Signature-3 16:28, November 6, 2015 (UTC)


I sent in for Patroller, can you vote? --MythHunter 007 03:43, November 7, 2015 (UTC)

Image naming question

Good day, I am trying to verify for "Jiralhanae117" whether it is necessary to order image names in the usual "ObjectName-GameName-DescriptionHere" format, and also whether spelling and capitalization matters. Since you have been a member of Staff for longer than I have, I hope that you are more certain than I am about this matter.

TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim (talk | contributions) 00:21, December 4, 2015 (UTC)

Same to you. Thank you for your help.

TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim (talk | contributions) 01:55, December 4, 2015 (UTC)

RE: Rockstar Editor Video Tutorial

I could try, but I make no promises. 90% of the time I use the editor only for screenshot purposes and I don't have a lot of time lately to make a proper tutorial video. I'll see what I can do, unless someone else does it before me. V-michael-trunk-miniV-franklin-trunk-miniV-trevor-trunk-mini 16:32, December 7, 2015 (UTC)

Festive Surprise 2015

'Update artworks' on the Infobox thingy? Done. :D MC My Computer Master Of Ceremonies 08:44, December 24, 2015 (UTC)

Sure, and thanks. Merry Christmas too! MC My Computer Master Of Ceremonies 03:55, December 25, 2015 (UTC)

Re:GTA Wikia Crew

I really want to get this crew going, but stuff in real life is preventing me from doing so. 

One thing that I should have given you a long time ago is the account login on the Social Club. Tom and I shared the account login for our Xbox Live and PSN divisions, respectively. With that login, you can make the changes to the hierarchy, emblem, etc. I'll private message you on Social Club the account details and from there on, you can mold the crew to your desires. I guess to promote the crew to get some members, you could advertise it on your YouTube or start a campaign blog lol, whatever you can do to gather some members.

Happy (late) Christmas and Merry New Year,

--Tony42898 (Talker - Blogger - Stalker)-- 00:18, December 29, 2015 (UTC) 

Hey Mortsnarg!  I was browsing and saw that you were a Patroller, meaning that you could remove spam content.  I found something in the Maps section that should be removed.  I think it's pretty obvious which "map" it is.  Also, another map on that same page, titled "GTA 5 MAP", has a minion image spammed on there as a pin image for the map's Police Stations.  I've faith in your abilities, so in advance: thanks.

Also, while I've got you:  What's with the chat page on this wiki?  Is it always empty?  I assume it's been deemed obsolete with the talk pages on everyone's profiles now.

Bowlingforsoups (talk) 06:02, January 7, 2016 (UTC)


Hey man. I went for Bcrat, could you vote? Monk Talk 12:18, February 28, 2016 (UTC)

Regarding my Community Noticeboard proposal

Good day. I apologise if this comes across as impolite, but I have made a proposal on the Community Noticeboard that has (as of the sending of this message) been running for over a week, and has so far only received three votes (four if one were to count myself). I am anxious to have the vote closed so that I will know if I should or should not implement the proposed changes. Could all Staff members please vote on my proposal? Thank you.

P.S.: I apologise if you have already voted, as I have sent this message to all Staff members.

TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim (talk | contributions) 14:46, March 24, 2016 (UTC)


Hey bro. I went for Patroller, could you vote?--MH007Signature MythHunter 007 Talk MH007Signature 05:11, March 27, 2016 (UTC)

Regarding edits I have performed to your User page

Since you are no longer a Patroller, I have removed the "Patroller" template from your User page and removed it from the "Patrollers" and "Staff" categories. I have, however, decided to leave the "Gtawiki staff" Navbox on your page, since you are still regarded as a former Staff member: you may remove this yourself if you wish. Thank you.

TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim (talk | contributions) 16:21, April 26, 2016 (UTC)

RE: Happy birthday

Thanks Alex. :) Sam Talk 12:22, May 13, 2016 (UTC)


Yeah. I realized that this wasn't made by R*, yet it strongly resembles like one. Maybe if R* would truly make it, that'd be really awesome. JohnSignature 21:33, October 2, 2016 (UTC)


Why that question? I prefer not to speak about my political views on this kind of site. Monolith Patch Rain - Talk SCS Freedom 09:57, November 26, 2016 (UTC)

I can understand. If anything, it's preferable to dodge anything political-related on this type of site. It's usually a source of endless debates and conflicts, especially since it's unlikely that everybody here shares the same views. It's probably more fitting on communities like Reddit, etc. Monolith Patch Rain - Talk SCS Freedom 19:46, November 28, 2016 (UTC)
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