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RE: Vehicle Weapons

Yeah. It's actually a test to see how it looks and to reorder the messy texts I've made, but still can't get a proper way to display these weapons. I'm also considering to reduce the lists by "universes" (2D, 3D and HD) rather than individual games, though it's a conflicting change (maybe the HD games should stay separated?).

Yeah, heard a lot about that Discord thing, but never tried it. If things are fine, i'll consider that. XD

BTW, did you see my summary on Festival Bus? "Bus Classic" is a good name for a civilian, basic version of these two buses. Holy cow XD --BodyArmor-GTACW-Android SWAT Cam F VehicleWeapon-GTACW-Android Detonator-GTACW-Android Crate-GTACW-Android 19:24, August 26, 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, didn't know you messaged me. Well, didn't been thinking about that for a while. Let me check. --BodyArmor-GTACW-Android SWAT Cam F VehicleWeapon-GTACW-Android Detonator-GTACW-Android Crate-GTACW-Android 17:38, September 9, 2018 (UTC)
Now what? Any guidance? I'm lost XD --BodyArmor-GTACW-Android SWAT Cam F VehicleWeapon-GTACW-Android Detonator-GTACW-Android Crate-GTACW-Android 17:49, September 9, 2018 (UTC)
You might not be able to type any message for 10 minutes, automatic verifications shizzle. Anyway, welcome to Discord. The place where we talk about the wiki, improvements, suggestions, etc. Its split into different "channels" which can be seen on the left. Each channel has a different purpose; general for "general" discussion. In the middle is the chatroom for the channel you're in, and on the right are the members of the server. Some channels are limited to certain users, and the right pane will reflect who can see and/or type in that channel. Monk (Bureaucrat Bureaucrat) Talk 17:57, September 9, 2018 (UTC)

Possible edit regarding the the engines of the GTA V Cargo Plane?

I just wonder if it is necessary to add one fact regarding jet engines in the article of the Cargo Plane; in real life low bypass jet engines always generate louder noise than high bypass jet engines- and the Cargo Plane seems to have low bypass type, yet is quieter than other aircraft with high bypass jet engines (eg: Jet, Shamal, Nimbus etc).

Anyy thoughts on this? I am looking forward to hear if it is necessary to make such an edit.

TransportFan2014 (talk) 10:43, August 27, 2018 (UTC)TransportFan2014


Apologies for the very late response as I just noticed your message on my talk page and must have overlooked the notification for it. Around the time of the edit I was going off Broughy's video on the fastest supercars on a straight track. The Taipan and the XXR were among the slowest supercars due to an unfixed bug. I haven't seen one of Broughy's more recent videos on supercars but I'll guess it's safe to assume both of these cars speed bugs have long since been fixed.

Nonstopmaximum (talk) 18:43, August 29, 2018 (UTC)Nonstopmaximum

RE: Yo

Hi Guy. Sorry for my inactivity on there. I've not had a lot of free time at present as I've been on a course studying for the past three weeks, and generally I'm sort of here, there and everywhere. That course has finished now so I'll try and drop into Discord from now on when I get the chance. :) Sam Talk 22:40, September 14, 2018 (UTC)

New question

Hey man, noticed you have undone what I have corrected about the Oppressor MK2, can you give me a reason for that?

Smirdaliuspigmenas (talk) 07:47, September 18, 2018 (UTC)

Although what you wrote was partially correct, the boost doesn't fully charge unless the player actually slows down, letting go of the accelerator gives the boost a slight recharge but otherwise doesn't fully recharge the boost until the speed has rapidly reduced. Monk (Bureaucrat Bureaucrat) Talk 11:10, September 18, 2018 (UTC)

So why completely remove my change instead of writing that both releasing acceleration and slowing down works, just at different rates? Also, countermeasures work when stationary, just not on the ground. Smirdaliuspigmenas (talk) 13:44, September 18, 2018 (UTC)
On a second note, I've re-tested the boost system and can confirm you were indeed correct. I never recalled it behaving like that until I looked for it, so I apologise for reverting the edit, I will add it back. Thank you, and happy editing! |Monk (Bureaucrat Bureaucrat) Talk 15:18, September 18, 2018 (UTC)

Banshee Price

Can I ask why the Banshee Topless is more? It shows $105,000 for both on Legendary Motorsport (You would have to check this on PC as I can only check PS4) CelticDragon0 (talk) 12:52, September 23, 2018 (UTC)


Hey Monk. Pretty late but congrats on reaching 40,000 edits. You definitely have the most edits in this wiki's history haha.

With Red Dead Redemption II coming out this month I will likely be more active on Wikia for a while again so maybe I'll see you around.

LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 23:38, October 2, 2018 (UTC)


Yo, buddy. What's up?

Probably is a bit late to ask something like this, but it was bugging me off for a bit.

Some time prior to the After Hours updatr, there were leaked renders from that-guy-from-Twitter about the vehicles, assets and stuff like that. The point is, there was the typical quad-rotor drone and two devices that seemed vague, you know what I'm saying?

One is a drone with a helicopter shape, similar to the Black Hornet micro UAV.
  • The other is literally a sphere with small wings and antenna, which seemed a bit "futuristic".

My questions: Are those two drones existent as alternatives for the Terrorbyte? Enemy drones from any of the Client Jobs? Part of a scenario? Or something else? I always have those doubts but doesn't matter if you are unaware of everything I said lol. --BodyArmor-GTACW-Android SWAT Cam F VehicleWeapon-GTACW-Android Detonator-GTACW-Android Crate-GTACW-Android 03:43, October 7, 2018 (UTC)

Nevermind. Probably it is already noted somewhere on the web, but I must find it to solve my own questions haha. Thanks anyway. --BodyArmor-GTACW-Android SWAT Cam F VehicleWeapon-GTACW-Android Detonator-GTACW-Android Crate-GTACW-Android 03:11, October 13, 2018 (UTC)
They just appear as static models inside the Terrobyte. Smurfy: illuminate - communicate - spectate 03:17, October 13, 2018 (UTC)
Ooh, I see. Kinda strange to have three props, yet you only use one for the functional one. --BodyArmor-GTACW-Android SWAT Cam F VehicleWeapon-GTACW-Android Detonator-GTACW-Android Crate-GTACW-Android 03:35, October 13, 2018 (UTC)

Quick Question

Hey Monk,

Regarding my recent edits where I added colours to LCS mission objectives, I just wanted to ask if it would actually be better to put the objectives in the mission infobox rather than in a separate section. I'm starting to get confused about whether to put them there or not, so please let me know when possible.  Doritos9965 (talk) 10:15, October 21, 2018 (UTC)

Mainly, todo = is used in the infobox for mission objectives. That is the main place for them, however if necessary, a section dedicated to them may also be used in the main article, where you can also expand upon each objective. Monk (Bureaucrat Bureaucrat) Talk 16:31, October 21, 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for the response, I'll go over the mission pages again so the objectives are in the correct format. Doritos9965 (talk) 20:58, October 21, 2018 (UTC)

Vehicle Weapons: Part 2?

Hey buddy. How's going?

Could you please get the missing HUD icons for the rest of the vehicle weapons? All I know is that the mortars from the Weaponized Tampa have their own icon, most turrets have the basic bullet icon and the missile one is reserved for missiles and tank cannons in general. What I dunno is there is a dedicated icon for grenade launchers.

Another thing I would like to know is that if there is any sort of file data that could infer the weapon's rotation and elevation angles, as probably guessing all that stuff may not be enough to truly demonstrate how versatile the weapon is.

Doesn't matter if that is not possible. Thanks. BodyArmor-GTACW-Android SWAT Cam F VehicleWeapon-GTACW-Android Detonator-GTACW-Android Crate-GTACW-Android 03:22, November 2, 2018 (UTC)


What a surpise! You appeared from the shadows to see what's going on with the vehicles and abilities. lol --BodyArmor-GTACW-Android SWAT Cam F VehicleWeapon-GTACW-Android Detonator-GTACW-Android Crate-GTACW-Android 03:27, November 9, 2018 (UTC)

Infinite Ban of Questionable Nature.

Hello Monkey, you may know me better as Openminds. A user you suspended for infinite for placing edits you apparently didn't like and did so under the pretense of vandalism, while simultaneously barring any kind of communication with you.

I'm sorry if you were in any way affronted by my edits. But infinite ban on the pretense of "vandalism" I have to say this is full of ####. Vandals are the users who put racist, lewd, and profane content in place of the actual content, or delete everything as a whole, and you just decided on a whim that I'm one of them and deserve a ban of the highest caliber.

You reverted everything, including the "Bomb Bay" error in the Hunter article, where only the first B in bomb is not bolden. This error speaks for the sign of the thinly veiled laziness required overlook details in the edits in the midst of reverting them.

To add insult to injury. You decide to ban me without contacting me and barred any means of communicating with you in hopes for a discussion. I hope you're willing to reach out to me because if not I'll find someone who will resolve this for us.

SubjectTheta3 (talk) 3:56, November 9, 2018 (UTC)


Could you please explain how the missions for that lead to Breaking The Bank At Caligula's are considered storyline missions? It is possible to play the game from the beginning to the end without completing this. This is why they are never completed on any% speedruns, and this is also the case with the missions given by Zero. —Preceding unsigned comment added by The2ndFox (talkcontribs) Please remember to sign your talk page messages with ~~~~.

RE: Blazer Aqua

I see. Probably they didn't bother that much because this thing likes going on the water, but oh well. I guess putting the wheels on bikes and quads in their nodes still make it "too detailed" for the lowest LOD. Just saying. --BodyArmor-GTACW-Android SWAT Cam F VehicleWeapon-GTACW-Android Detonator-GTACW-Android Crate-GTACW-Android 23:51, November 13, 2018 (UTC)

Greetings again after a long hiatus

Hello, Monk, I am pleased to announce that I have now returned to the GTA Wiki. It has been ages since I have last edited here, and I am glad to be back. Do you have any tasks that you would like me to attend to? I would love something to do after so long away. By the way, please note that I have not edited code in quite some time, so I may make a few errors when doing tasks that require code editing. Please bear with me as I overcome my rustiness.

P.S.: I must admit that I am incredibly surprised that I am still an Administrator after such a long period of complete inactivity, but pleased nonetheless.

TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 18:29, November 25, 2018 (UTC)

Welcome back my friend! Currently there aren't many specific tasks to complete, most people are working on their own things at the moment. For the past few months I have been working on GTA IV location articles, completely rebuilding them and expanding them, as well as clean ups, other users are working on GTA San Andreas and London locations, as well as VC/VCS walkthrough galleries. Something I have been trying to do for a while is provide maps for all locations across the wiki.
With regards to your admin status, as one of our best administrators in history, I ultimately had faith you would return given you never explicitly stated you were leaving, so keeping you as an admin was a priority. Plus, with several resignations this year (including Tom and Wildbrick) (and some happy returns (including Doc), we actually have vacant spots for a Bureaucrat and Administrator, so letting another one go wouldn't be a great idea.
PS: GTA Wiki Discord: Feel free to join; it essentially replaced the GTA Wiki Chat with a more permanent measure of live communication. If you already have a discord account, simply log-in and hit join :) Monk (Bureaucrat Bureaucrat) Talk 18:46, November 25, 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for the warm welcome back. I will resume my usual grammatical corrections and image licensing checks unless there is a specific project that needs doing. By the way, as you likely already noticed, I have joined the GTA Wiki Discord group.
TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 06:17, November 26, 2018 (UTC)

Minor issues

Good day, Monk, I just want to check whether you are experiencing a glitch on the main page wherein the number of active users is displayed as "-1". I do not suppose that you can do anything about it?

Also, I have noticed that you have not updated your current signature on your Talk page, so you might want to do that.

TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 06:53, November 26, 2018 (UTC)

Re: Khanjali

I did suspect that the information about the Khanjali railgun projectile speed boost with a full charge was possibly incorrect, but I was not sure. As for the range boost, I learned that information from a YouTube video published by "TheProfessional", whom I consider to be a fairly reliable source of information about vehicles. I would indeed greatly appreciate it if you are able to verify the improvement(s) afforded to the railgun projectile if it is fully charged, preferably through the internal handling files. Thank you for your help.

TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 13:15, November 29, 2018 (UTC)

Regarding one of your Talk page rules

Good day, Monk, I was reading your Talk page rules, and I was left a bit confused by one particular rule:

"Fandom Staff will be notified of replies - This is to bump important information between Administrators of the GTA Wiki and Fandom Staff."

Could you please tell me exactly what you mean by that? I am assuming that you do not mean that you notify Fandom Staff of every single message reply, as that would obviously be unnecessary for the majority of messages you reply to.

TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 15:23, November 29, 2018 (UTC)

Well, when I reply to a message on my talk page like I am doing now, I don't usually remind the user I'm replying to, as I expect they would check to see if I have replied, however, since Fandom usually only contact Admins with important news, I will reply on Fandom Staff's talk pages to alert them that I have responded on my own talk page. Monk (Bureaucrat Bureaucrat) Talk 15:56, November 29, 2018 (UTC)
Ah, yes, I understand you now. Thank you for clarifying.
TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 18:38, November 29, 2018 (UTC)

Transform Races artwork

Hello, Monk. From seeing the loading messages when loading Grand Theft Auto Online, I am aware that there is a new artwork for Transform Races featuring the Pyro and several supercars that I could not identify. Could you please try and source this image from the game files and upload it to the wiki? Aside from the fact that it is an appropriate image for the gallery of the Transform Races article, I actually want to use the image of the Pyro as a Staff picture. It should be relatively easy for you, since I believe that you also have the P.C. version of Grand Theft Auto V as well as the Xbox One version.

TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 22:00, November 29, 2018 (UTC)

As these loading messages are streamed from Rockstar servers, I cannot access the image itself without taking a screenshot and literally cropping it out. I believe I know which artwork you are referring to, and I am certain to have seen it somewhere on the Rockstar Newswire - perhaps check recent articles there, or older ones dating back to the Transform Races and/or Pyro release events? Monk (Bureaucrat Bureaucrat) Talk 13:53, November 30, 2018 (UTC)
The only image that I could find was this one, which is attached to an advertisement for a bonus week. If you can find one not so attached, please let me know; otherwise I will attempt to crop the image out of the advertisement.
TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 14:23, November 30, 2018 (UTC)
Here's the best one I can find. [1].
There is also this one. This is a vertical crop, perhaps you could use the background from this one and add it on the 16:9 one that is covered by the GTA logo?
On second thoughts, it seems that the second one is simply a re-positioned orange Pyro, as the logo remains in the same place. Monk (Bureaucrat Bureaucrat) Talk 14:36, November 30, 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for sourcing the images. Actually, unless I am mistaken, the Grand Theft Auto logo is also in a different location in the second image, though it was only moved by a minimal amount. I worked this out from observing the "X"-shaped mark on the metal mesh tube in the background, which is above the letter "a" of "grand" in the 16:9 image, but above the "r" in the second image. Should I add one or both to the Transform Races article gallery?
TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 16:33, November 30, 2018 (UTC)
The more, the better, I say. Monk (Bureaucrat Bureaucrat) Talk 16:41, November 30, 2018 (UTC)
All right, I will upload both of them then. By the way, if you happen to come across a better quality version of the second image, please replace the one that I upload.
TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 17:14, November 30, 2018 (UTC)
One more thing: what are the two cars visible in the midground called?
TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 17:44, November 30, 2018 (UTC)
Never mind, Noirlime4L told me in Chat that they were Flash GTs. Thank you anyway.
TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 18:52, November 30, 2018 (UTC)

Jobs for your bot

Good day, Monk, could you please get your bot to either add or remove the price=FREE parameter on all the Infoboxes about downloadable content for Grand Theft Auto V/Online? Since all such DLCs up to this point are free, I personally do not see the point of adding that note. However, if you feel it necessary, the note should be on all the DLC pages, as it looks inconsistent as it is now.

Also, could you make it add any newly created redirects to the "Redirects" category? I forgot to add several redirects that I recently created to that category.

TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 12:00, November 30, 2018 (UTC)

I will get onto it soon. For the record, I don't feel it is necessary until or if a paid DLC is released (I don't consider the Criminal Enterprise Starter Pack a proper DLC.) Monk (Bureaucrat Bureaucrat) Talk 13:53, November 30, 2018 (UTC)
Agreed. I think that you should make the bot remove all the price=FREE parameters then. I did not even know that the Criminal Enterprise Starter Pack was even considered a DLC, and like you I consider it something more along the lines of Shark Cards.
TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 14:14, November 30, 2018 (UTC)

The title of a landmark-related article

Despite this article having a title of Liberty City/New York Landmarks, the article also contains San Fierro and Vice City, which are, obviously, not part of LC at all. Not sure what to do to rectify this, you decide. TransportFan2014 (talk) 18:34, December 1, 2018 (UTC)

Hopefully, I'll eventually get round to getting rid of that article in exchange for a city-specific "geography" sub article which will contain all unnamed structures, as well as summarize the city's geography and contain a list of notable locations. I plan on working on the IV one first, but with the help of others, will get round to other game cities too. Thanks for asking about it. Monk (Bureaucrat Bureaucrat) Talk 18:36, December 1, 2018 (UTC)

RE: Buzzard

Nah, it's okay, buddy. I was just making sure if there was actually someone using a gun, which seemed vague as for now.

Oops. Now that you stated only NOOSE use the Buzzard, probably the LSPD instance I added is wrong. Gotta remove that :P --BodyArmor-GTACW-Android SWAT Cam F VehicleWeapon-GTACW-Android Detonator-GTACW-Android Crate-GTACW-Android 19:52, December 6, 2018 (UTC)

Minor Turbulence Trivia

I was told by you that Pushing the Destroyed Merryweather Mesa into Trevors Garage isnt Trivia.

I was just wondering what it would be, if its not Trivia?

DaringDo63 (talk)

Arena vehicles

Hey monkey for the new arena vehicles should we bundle all 3 variants under one page? it seems like that would make it alot easier to have 1 page for each vehicle instead of 3. Thanks!

Churnovisk (talk) 18:15, December 12, 2018 (UTC)

I would agree with that. The Arena War vehicles do not appear to be different enough to warrant three separate articles each, and combining them into singular articles that list the differences seems both logical and neater. I would point to the Cargobob Jetsam as a good example of where this already occurs.
TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 16:14, December 14, 2018 (UTC)
  1. I have already answered this question and explained why on the original talk page you added this message to. I'm not sure why you've posted this in two places, it's unnecessary and splits up discussion.
  2. @TAlim, with regards to the Cargobob Jetsam, no, this is an entirely different situation. For starters, not only is the difference between the Cargobob and Cargobob Jetsam far less extensive than the differences between the three variations of Arena vehicles, the Cargobob Jetsam isn't even named "Cargobob Jetsam" on the in-game HUD. The only place it is named Cargobob Jetsam is on the website and Pegasus/personal vehicle list, and this is only done to differentiate it between selection and purchase. The difference between the Apocalypse, Future Shock and Nightmare vehicles is far more significant, both in terms of function and unlock-ability, but also in terms of design, modifications and performance, even in stock condition. The same situation is with just about every single Custom lowrider.
  3. The second reason benefits the structure of articles on the wiki. With different modifications and features, combined articles would quickly become cluttered and tables would be extremely crowded and unnecessarily complicated. Last of all, merging these articles would break standardization of the Manual of Style, wherein a vehicle with an altered or new name has a new article.. I was originally going to consider having merged articles, but having not only played with the vehicles and come to realization how significant each variant is against each other, weighing up the fact merging would also be a difficult situation with regards to the vehicles which have stock counterparts (for example, the Dominator) would make articles a mess. Monk (Bureaucrat Bureaucrat) Talk 16:45, December 14, 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for the input. Id to like to apologize for posting on 2 seperate talk pages and posting in 2 places. I didnt mean to cause any kind of trouble.
Churnovisk (talk) 18:49, December 15, 2018 (UTC)
To Monk: Your points are noted. Apologies, I have not had the chance to look at the new Arena War vehicles more than superficially, and I must say that to have such a large number of similarly named and designed vehicles that have greatly different performance stats is quite an unusual occurrence.
TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 21:43, December 16, 2018 (UTC)

Arena War vehicles

Remember the "Variant Triple" template used in the Rebel for the three Technicals? About time to use it somewhere else. Ha ha ha. BodyArmor-GTACW-Android SWAT Cam F VehicleWeapon-GTACW-Android Detonator-GTACW-Android Crate-GTACW-Android 04:40, December 13, 2018 (UTC)

Regarding my RfP

Good day, Monk. Normally I would not make a fuss about a long-running Request for Promotion, especially since it concerns me, but I must note that my Bureaucrat request has been running for almost three weeks as I write this message, and yet no one has made any input to the vote since the 30th of November. There does not appear to be any clear consensus yet, so how would you suggest we encourage more voting?

TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 00:22, December 17, 2018 (UTC)

RfP has been sorted. Monk (Bureaucrat Bureaucrat) Talk 13:49, December 18, 2018 (UTC)
Thank you, though I was already aware, and in fact I had already moved my request to "Inactive Requests" prior to your message being posted. Like I mentioned in the comments of my RfP, I will likely try again in mid-January 2019.
TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 15:05, December 18, 2018 (UTC)

Regarding the Wikia bot

Good day, Monk, I was just wondering whether the Wikia bot is still operational, as it does not appear to have made any edits since August of 2017. If not, are welcome messages still being sent out to new users? I feel that it is quite an important courtesy for such messages to be sent out, and a replacement bot might be needed if the Wikia bot has been shut down.

TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 02:45, December 18, 2018 (UTC)

I have contacted Fandom about this, seems to be a Wikia-wide bug. Monk (Bureaucrat Bureaucrat) Talk 13:49, December 18, 2018 (UTC)
If it really has been out of commission since August of 2017, then Wikia are certainly very slow to fix the problem indeed. Have Wikia replied to you recently regarding when the bot will be fixed?
TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 15:00, December 18, 2018 (UTC)
It's the new FANDOM bot that's currently sending welcome messages to new users, not the Wikia bot anymore. Although yes, it does happen for some users not to receive automated messages, which prompts us to send manual ones. Ultimate94ninja talk · contribs 15:27, December 18, 2018 (UTC)
In that case, could you or someone else please update GTA Wiki:Multiple accounts and GTA Wiki:Bots, which are both out of date. I would do it myself, but I am a bit busy right now. Also, please rename the former page to GTA Wiki:Multiple Accounts and leave a redirect, since page titles are meant to be written in title case.
TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 16:46, December 18, 2018 (UTC)

Re: GTA Wiki: To-Do List

I am certainly interested. As a matter of fact, I actually need you to advise me on something that I need to add to the to-do list: I have an entire category (Category:Characters in The Gamechangers) that is full of badly empty and outdated articles. A lot of them need pictures and additional information that I am unable to provide myself, so I was considering adding the entire category to the list instead of individual articles, since a majority of the articles in that category need updating and improving. What do you suggest should be done?

TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 16:55, December 18, 2018 (UTC)

That was the point that I was making here. However, I must note that there are some fleshed-out articles of characters from The Gamechangers, such as this one (which I have noticed was spelled incorrectly, but I have corrected it). What do we do with these articles then? When I proposed deletion of the US News Anchor article, I did not realise that there were so many other similar articles, including fleshed-out ones.
TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 17:08, December 18, 2018 (UTC)

That will take some time for me to do alone, and I must admit that I want to get it done quickly, as it is exceedingly repetitive and tedious. Do you want to split the work up with me?
TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 17:19, December 18, 2018 (UTC)

Should we leave the fleshed-out articles, or should they be deleted too?
TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 17:36, December 18, 2018 (UTC)

What about the pictures (for the film-specific characters that do have them)? do they get deleted if they are not used on any other pages, or do we put them on the main article?
Also, I should mention that several of the less significant characters are actually real people as well. What about them?
TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 17:50, December 18, 2018 (UTC)

That was faster than I expected. Thank you for that. I will make a few changes to the The Gamechangers article to include relevant information from the deleted pages.
TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 17:58, December 18, 2018 (UTC)

I see that you have already done most of what I was intending to do, and I thank you for that. I think that the only real thing left for me to do is to put "Clr" templates after characters that have an associated image, and to standardise the size of the images so that they are more or less the same size.
TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 18:08, December 18, 2018 (UTC)

All right, I am done. I added several maintenance templates, reduced the size of the cast pictures, and made other general improvements to the page. Feel free to have a look if you wish.
By the way did you remove the red links from the other articles that linked to the deleted pages?
TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 18:52, December 18, 2018 (UTC)

Good idea, please do get your bot to remove the links. Once again, thank you for your assistance, and thank you as well for informing me about the revamped To-Do List, which this conversation was initially about. I will be sure to use it as needed.
TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 22:41, December 18, 2018 (UTC)

Downforce etc

Hello. I have seen that several pages state that the downforce stat in the handling files of GTA5 affect the acceleration of a car.  The stats that actually affect acceleration are Engine Resistance (not very much) Driving Force, and Drag. How the acceleration of the car is calculated is that Driving force is the base acceleration of a car in units per second squared. The drag number is a coefficient in an equation which decides how much to take off of the driving force number. The more speed, the more is subtracted. When these two values are equal, the car does not accelerate anymore. Downforce only judges the grip of the car. There are a couple other factors called advanced handling flags. Here is a link to a few videos on that.

Kidzspeed5 (talk) 23:27, December 19, 2018 (UTC)

Feel free to correct this, but ensure grammar and sentence structure remains fluid. Also, please remember to add a title to your messages on my talk page. Thanks, and have a good day! Monk (Bureaucrat Bureaucrat) Talk 23:48, December 19, 2018 (UTC)

Style and formatting suggestions

Good day, Monk, I have a couple of suggestions regarding the style and formatting of articles. Firstly, I have noticed that the Version History Gallery on vehicle pages (which uses the "Vehicle Design History Gallery" template) does not use italics for any of the Grand Theft Auto titles, and also uses abbreviated versions of the titles. Personally, I would prefer the full and italicised titles be used – with the exception of when two variants of the same vehicle with different appearances appear in the same game, such as with the Grand Theft Auto IV Taxi, in which case only the first occurrence of the title should be written in its full form – but I would like to seek your opinion, since you are the one who mostly works on vehicle articles. Secondly, I feel that the name of the gallery should be standardised, as it is variously referred to as "Gallery" or "Image Gallery" on different pages. I was actually considering posting this as a proposal on the Community Noticeboard, but I decided against it, as it is a relatively minor change.

TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 06:27, December 20, 2018 (UTC)

Hi Konan. Thank you for contacting me about this, as I wasn't aware that the template didn't use this standard, of which is actually mentioned on the Manual of Style under General Rules. This should be updated. Regarding Galleries, as vehicle articles tend to have several galleries (a Current Design Gallery, a Version History Gallery, among other image layouts), we went for "Image Gallery" as the set-in-stone name for the miscellaneous gallery. Any vehicle articles with a miscellaneous gallery named "Gallery" should have it changed to "Image Gallery". Thank you, and have a good day! Monk (Bureaucrat Bureaucrat) Talk 15:43, December 20, 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for the input. I will update the "Vehicle Design History Gallery" template soon, if you have not already done so yourself. As for the name of galleries, I was referring to articles in general, not vehicle articles specifically: could you please clarify your stance on that matter?
UPDATE: I have performed the necessary update to the template. I must say that the template code is very sensitive: I made one small input error while italicising the GTA titles, accidentally italicising a curly brace from another template used in the template, and it broke the whole template. It took me nearly ten minutes to find the error and fix it.
19:49, December 20, 2018 (UTC)
TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 16:00, December 20, 2018 (UTC)
Personally, I see no issue with the difference in names, however, if we were to go with one, I feel Gallery would be more appropriate, and I wouldn't be against the idea of moving "Image Gallery" to "Gallery" if it makes all articles standardized. Monk (Bureaucrat Bureaucrat) Talk 16:09, December 20, 2018 (UTC)
If we were to standardise the names, you should probably use your bot, as it would be very tedious to go through the countless articles that have image galleries to check the names and change the ones that do not follow the standard.
TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 19:03, December 20, 2018 (UTC)
Thank you! I'll get the bot to work soon. Monk (Bureaucrat Bureaucrat) Talk 19:54, December 20, 2018 (UTC)
Much appreciated. I will leave you and your bot to it then. While you are at it, could you please also make your bot italicise GTA titles in "Disambiglink" templates? This will actually remove the italicisation from the titles, since the text in the template is italicised by default, but it is a general style rule that text meant to be italic is written in normal format when the rest of the text that surrounds it is italic. If you feel that this is unnecessary though, you do not have to do it.
TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 20:07, December 20, 2018 (UTC)

Vercetti Estate

Just a question for you, I noticed that ' Category:Neighborhoods in GTA San Andreas' has been added to the Vercetti Estate page, just wondering if that was a misadd as that location is in Vice City and Vice City Stories, not SA. CelticDragon0 (talk) 19:17, December 20, 2018 (UTC)

Hi, and thanks for bringing this to my attention. Yep, that would definitely be a mistake. Thanks! Monk (Bureaucrat Bureaucrat) Talk 19:41, December 20, 2018 (UTC)

No problem Monk...had me scratching my head there! CelticDragon0 (talk) 19:59, December 20, 2018 (UTC)

Job for your bot

Hello, Monk, could you please get your bot to check for any articles where the "See Also" section (if it exists) is beneath the references (if they exist) and swap the sections around? I am not sure how many articles have this issue, but I came across it on the Mixer article, and I am afraid that other articles may have this layout issue.

TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 22:39, December 20, 2018 (UTC)

I can certainly try! Monk (Bureaucrat Bureaucrat) Talk 13:05, December 21, 2018 (UTC)

Bureaucrat action

Hello, Monk, could you please flag User:FANDOM as a bot? I would do it myself, but I do not have the authority as an Administrator.

TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 00:28, December 21, 2018 (UTC)

I am not entirely sure I am able to do that myself, but I will check. Monk (Bureaucrat Bureaucrat) Talk 13:05, December 21, 2018 (UTC)
Please do, and let me know if you are or are not able to, for I am curious myself.
TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 00:35, December 22, 2018 (UTC)

Regarding the Clown Van

Hello again, Monk, do you, by any chance, know whether the Clown Van is usable as a Race vehicle in the original version of Grand Theft Auto Online? I would check myself, but my Xbox 360 is in need of a repair, and I therefore am unable to play the original version at this time.

TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 00:58, December 21, 2018 (UTC)

Yep, the Clown Van is a usable vehicle in GTA Online races in both versions of the game. Monk (Bureaucrat Bureaucrat) Talk 13:06, December 21, 2018 (UTC)
I see. In that case I added the "NG" tag to the Infobox in error. I have removed it.
TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 00:32, December 22, 2018 (UTC)


Hey Monk

I would like to learn from you why you undid my edits. I checked the rules and was pretty confused by what happened.

P.S. You might consider unbanning me fron discord sever, I promise I will never ping you thousands of times per day. That'd be a better method of communication if you see any of my edits failed to follow the wiki standards.

This is the moment of everything, but you could be more than anything. 15:15, December 22, 2018 (UTC)SUPER4geditTANK

Good day, sir. I believe that Monk reverted this edit due to poor grammar structure, and also due to some of the information that you added being incorrect. Monk was not the one who reverted this edit, so you may wish to bring the matter up with "Noirlime4L", who was the Staff member who did do it. Also, could you please add a link to your User page and Talk page to your signature? It allows for easier navigation to your pages. At the very least, please have a Talk page link.
To Monk: I believe that you should consider undoing good-faith edits and leaving an explanation in the edit summary instead of using the rollback tool, since it avoids confusion. While you do not necessarily have to be as prolific as I am when it comes to edit summaries (I leave a summary after almost every single one of my edits), I feel that you should leave edit summaries whenever you make large changes to pages or undo non-vandalism edits.
TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 20:45, December 22, 2018 (UTC)

Regarding the "Pure Black" window tint

Hello, Monk, do you know if the "Pure Black" window tint is still available to players on the original edition of Grand Theft Auto V/Online? I know that it was removed for the enhanced edition, but I can no longer remember if it was ever removed for the original versions. I would check this myself, but like I mentioned earlier, my Xbox 360 is currently out of order.

TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 22:29, December 22, 2018 (UTC)

There must have been a discussion about this in early September but I cannot find it now... I took these shots on my phone from my PS3 on 7/9/2018
I can't see that I've uploaded them before though so must have got side-tracked. Filenames intentionally left unchanged to retain timestamps. Smurfy: illuminate - communicate - spectate 23:51, December 22, 2018 (UTC)
In that case, I assume that the answer to my question is "yes". Thank you for the information, Sean.
TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 00:02, December 23, 2018 (UTC)
Turns out the discussion was on Discord:
G-Hammer 09/07/2018
I'm a little confused about these pure black windows for cars in mod shop, is this a perk from the social club? Because it's unlocked before the limo
kiwismurf 09/07/2018
@G-Hammer, Pure Black tints were added to last-gen only in the "I'm not a hipster" update. Last-gen is somewhat neglected in the vehicle customization tables and the info on Los Santos Customs.
I didn't upload the images there either though. Smurfy: illuminate - communicate - spectate 00:20, December 23, 2018 (UTC)
I see. Well, in any case you have answered my question, and I thank you for that. I needed that information for factual verification on articles that mention the "Pure Black" tint.
TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 04:24, December 23, 2018 (UTC)

Regarding the "wikia" and "fandom" domain name

Hello, Monk, I have noticed that your wiki, Halo Nation (the Halo wiki) the Harry Potter Wiki and Wookiepedia (the Star Wars wiki) (and perhaps others) still use the "wikia" domain name, while our wiki (along with others, I assume) does not, and instead uses the "fandom" domain. I fail to understand why that is the case, as it seems inconsistent. Do you have any idea why this is the case?

TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 07:11, December 24, 2018 (UTC)

As you can see here, Wik- uh, sorry... FANDOM chose to make a "test" by applying the "fandom" name to 3200 communities, not to all wikis (so far). Ultimate94ninja talk · contribs 10:17, December 24, 2018 (UTC)
I see. Thank you for pointing that fact out, as I did not know that it was a test, and thought that it was already universally rolled out. Apologies also for the late reply, I took a break for the holiday period.
TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 02:14, January 5, 2019 (UTC)


Is this a glitch?

Recently I played the Setup: Khanjali with a friend and witnessed a stgrange event. I'm unsure if should I add this to the setup's page.

My observations can be summarized as follows:

I was the machine gunner. My friend was driving the Tank. He drove into the airfield by accident since he's new to this mission. As soon as we are approaching, both of us saw a red tank icon on the map (Rhino Tank) and our tank came under fire by the Rhino Tank. He managed to destroy the enemy tank and proceed to leave the airfield by driving west, where we got comfronted by a second tank and it was again defeated. This seems to occur only after the Arena War Update. Also, no more than a single Rhino Tank may exist at any given time (He took 30 seconds to kill the first, during which no additional enemies spawned as I destroyed all tailing enemies before I got in the airfield, and tanks don't spawn on road).

Maybe you guys need to do some testing: The Rhino doesn't seem to have unique features, and the drivers never come out, so we don't know if Cliffford Mercenaries operate Rhino Tanks or not.

If you don't mind, perhaps you can test it yourself or let the others do it. I do not want to simply add it and then get it undone by you, so you will have to confirm it. I can't play recently.

This is the moment of everything, but you could be more than anything. 11:12, December 24, 2018 (UTC)SUPER4geditTANK

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!

Wishing all Staff members a late Merry Christmas and a Happy and Prosperous New Year! My apologies for the late greetings, I took a break from editing during the holiday period.

TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 02:18, January 5, 2019 (UTC)

How do you make a bot?

Can you show me how you made one? I need a bot for my Wiki, we have lots of vandals. User:Big Brother1(Text/Pevert) 18:32, January 5, 2019 (UTC)Big Brother1


i keep noiticing that you keep reversing my edits of kraff page. rather than continually arguing about this i would like you to tell my why. i'm open to you're side so please be civil —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ciaran Palmer (talkcontribs) Please remember to sign your talk page messages with ~~~~.

1) please respect my talk page guidelines.
2) I explained why your edit was reverted in the edit summary.
3) To reiterate, "which leads players to theorize" is completely speculative, and anything that is nothing more than "theory" should not be documented on the wiki. Monk (Bureaucrat Bureaucrat) Talk 17:53, January 7, 2019 (UTC)

Jobs for your bot

Hello, Monk, could you please get your bot to replace all instances of the <references /> tag with the "Reflist" template? I recall that I asked you to do this before a long time ago, but several new articles seem to have the raw tag instead of the template, and I do not care to manually trawl through all the potential articles with this issue. Thank you in advance.

TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 03:47, January 16, 2019 (UTC)

I will try. Monk (Bureaucrat Bureaucrat) Talk 15:35, January 24, 2019 (UTC)

Request for Promotion

Good day, I have made a Request for Promotion to the position of Bureaucrat. Please vote and/or comment when you are available. This message was sent to all Staff members.

TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 08:26, January 16, 2019 (UTC)

Regarding an inappropriate video on the Grand Theft Auto Online article

I do not suppose that you can do anything about the inappropriate video added by Wikia to the Grand Theft Auto Online article, which depicts the trailer for the Heists Update? That video belongs on the Heists Update article, not the one for GTA Online. Please see if you can do something about it, or tell me where I can complain to Wikia, as that video is even more inappropriate than the one on the Vehicles in Grand Theft Auto V article, as it is not only outdated on the article, but also misinformative, as it might lead someone unfamiliar with the most current update to the game to believe that the Heists Update is the most recent update.

TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 10:53, January 16, 2019 (UTC)

You would have to contact Fandom Staff about this. Monk (Bureaucrat Bureaucrat) Talk 15:35, January 24, 2019 (UTC)

Regarding my last few messages

Hello again, Monk, it appears that you have yet to reply to my last few messages, nor have you voted in my Request for Promotion. I will leave whether you wish to vote up to you, but could you please reply to my other messages as soon as you are able to? Thank you in advance.

TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 09:41, January 21, 2019 (UTC)

I see that you have voted in my Request for Promotion, but you still have not responded to any of my messages, which are more than a week old as I post this message. While I understand that you may be busy, I would appreciate if you could please try to respond as soon as possible.
TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 00:39, January 24, 2019 (UTC)


Sorry about stepping on the formating, what would the correct instance to add sub-headings? GloriousEel (talk) 19:26, January 24, 2019 (UTC)

Images Not Visible

Images that I uploaded in Bitch'n' Dog Food and Raven Slaughterhouse arent visible to anyone except me!

Is there any issue in that...waiting for your response...Steve316 (talk) 17:48, February 4, 2019 (UTC)


just wondering why is there no article about FiveM? Is it forbidden because if R* finds it out they'll ban the FiveM project?

Kind regards, 

GrudgeFriezaSA (talk) 18:58, February 5, 2019 (UTC)

Hey can you answer me why I am being kicked from the Discord-group by kamikatsu without giving any reason what-so-ever? This feels more like personal grudge than anything logical to be honest, I haven't done really anything that bad to warrant a kick.

Albany Manana

Interesting fact about this car is the page says FWD but was seen in game (PS4) as RWD since the back tires spun instead of the front. I'll leave making the change up to you as I'm not sure if it's different on say PC and I really don't wish to possibly screw up the page by editing (which is a possiblity as I am not as confident with classic editor on some things). CelticDragon0 (talk) 01:42, February 11, 2019 (UTC)

Since you mention PS4 I'll assume you are talking about the HD Universe Manana, which is indeed RWD and noted as such on the vehicle stats tables for GTAIV and GTAV in the article. The 3D Universe Manana is FWD and its section correctly notes it as such. Smurfy: illuminate - communicate - spectate 01:48, February 11, 2019 (UTC)

Yes I did-thanks for clearing that up (and yes, I was talking HD Universe-forgot to mention that). Appreciate you pointing that out Smurfy! CelticDragon0 (talk) 01:54, February 11, 2019 (UTC)

Regarding our un-affiliation with the GTA Myths Wiki

Hello, Monk. I was reading the notices on the Community Noticeboard, and I must ask what happened between us and the GTA Myths Wiki? from what I have read, there appears to be some sort of dispute between the Administrators/Bureaucrats of our wikis, and you also appear to be blocked on the GTA Myths Wiki. The community vote took place during my hiatus last year, so I did not have knowledge of it until relatively recently. Despite the risk of reopening old wounds, would you mind explaining the situation and the events leading up to it—either here or on the Discord Chat if you prefer?

TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 23:11, February 11, 2019 (UTC)

Sorry for the late response. the GTA Wiki community came to an agreement to end affiliation from the site and thus no longer have any connection to the site under the basis that the quality of the wiki is too poor. I won't even get into the wormhole that is the administration of the site.
With the GTA Wiki no longer having any form of affiliation, GTA Wiki content posted there without credit (images or entire sections, which are still there to this day) would not run in accordance to the FANDOM ToU, which states content from individual wiki is free to use, but only with the correct attribution, which Myths Wiki failed to do. I decided to take it upon myself to remove some of said content, having explained to administrators there that the content is not attributed correctly. I was then blocked for vandalism. Since then, the issue was reported to FANDOM. Monk (Bureaucrat Bureaucrat) Talk 14:07, February 16, 2019 (UTC)
I see. After browsing through the content of the GTA Myths Wiki, I do get the general reasoning behind the un-affiliation, as a fair amount of the content appears to be quite thoroughly unsubstantiated. I have two specific questions. Firstly, what exactly are the benefits of affiliation with another wiki beyond the obvious benefit of having the other site displayed and linked on the Main Page of the affiliate? Secondly, I am curious as to your criticism of the Baphomet myth: I have watched the video concerning the apparent figure of the Baphomet in the water, and it does seem to show a vague resemblance. I take it that you are saying that the apparent figure appears at any location with foaming wavy water, but do you mean to say that any apparent figure in the foam is simply an example of pareidolia?
On a completely different topic, may I ask what exactly your bot does on the GTA Wiki's Discord Chat?
TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 18:45, February 16, 2019 (UTC)

Cropping becomes necessary as the options for phone camera come at the bottom and top of screen.Steve316 (talk) 13:00, February 23, 2019 (UTC)

Permission to remove proposed deletion template

Hello, I'm requesting permission to remove a proposed deletion template in Cortez Crew. The user who added this template didn't take in the information from Vice City Stories into account. For Example: user claimed that Gonzalez was merely an associate. However, in The Colonel's Coke, Gonzaldez stated that and quote "Not your army. Colonel Juan García Cortez is my boss." (Bearnard43 (talk)) 2/24/2019 3:45 PM

Hello, please discuss proposed deletions in the talk page of the article in question, thanks. Now, regarding your reasoning for the proposed deletion being wrong, being hired by somebody is not the same as being their "underboss" or a direct successor in a gang. As far as the game lets us know, Gonzalez is running his own crew and is independent from Cortez aside from whatever jobs he's paid to do (similarly to how all missions in the Grand Theft Auto games work.). Sailors we see in Vice City are also hired guns / bodyguards (I believe I mentioned so in the talk page and I'm sorry if I didn't, but that's just how it is.). SlashM,C 15:17, February 25, 2019 (UTC)


Hey, I just uploaded an image on the LSDS page. Can you please check it and let me know if its the correct aspect ratio that is needed. Please inform me about it as I have other stuff waiting to be uploaded based on your approval. Thank You! Steve316 (talk) 14:29, February 28, 2019 (UTC)

Yes, that is the correct aspect ratio. Monk (Bureaucrat Bureaucrat) Talk 14:41, February 28, 2019 (UTC)

Thank you.I even wanted to create a page for a company whose page I couldnt find on wiki can I add it too? Steve316 (talk) 14:43, February 28, 2019 (UTC)

DaBoss blocked?

Yooo, sorry for coming out of absolutely nowhere, but I noticed on DaBOSS0102's profile, it has "Blocked" across the top. Is this because of his lyin' or just some other factors out of curiosity? - Universetwisters (talk) 22:15, March 4, 2019 (UTC)

Block reason: Irrelevant user page edits/spam. Edits made continuously for the past few days on his user page are spammy and can be considered "pointsgaining", or in this case "editsgaining". The sort of shit he's posting can be taken to GTA Fanon Wiki or some Facebook account, lol. Monk (Bureaucrat Bureaucrat) Talk 23:04, March 4, 2019 (UTC)


Hey man, really sorry to see you're resigning. Before you go, I want you to know it's been an absolute pleasure to get to know you over the past four-and-a-half years, not only as a fellow editor but also as a personal friend. All the best in whatever you decide to do from here, and hopefully we'll still see you around on here. Take care, my friend. Sam Talk 14:53, March 5, 2019 (UTC)

Damn, I didn't expect you to resign, take care! (TheF3nt0n (talk) 14:58, March 5, 2019 (UTC))
I've been deleting something and rewriting for a while now... I really can't believe that you resigned. I didn't think the day would come. When I saw a screenshot of you removing yourself from the Staff page and such I really thought the screenshot was fake at first... Y'know, when we first met back on the Myths wiki, we didn't get along so well, but now, after the few short months that we've spent together talking on the Discord server and editing on this site, I can gladly call you my friend. Take care in the future, amigo. SlashM,C 15:20, March 5, 2019 (UTC)
Take care in the future man, hope you'll have good times. GTAFan86 (talk) 15:37, March 5, 2019 (UTC)
Even though we weren't exactly the good friends like the old times and I being just an absolute meanie for just silly things (as well as the pong on Discord), that doesn't mean I won't say anything about your resignation and just go as normal. No no no, not my style.
But for real, it's sad to see you go as if something wrong happened, considering you were all fine prior to your resignation. Whatever you are doing out there, we hope you are alright, buddy. Cheers from your old friend, Cam F. --BodyArmor-GTACW-Android SWAT Cam F VehicleWeapon-GTACW-Android Detonator-GTACW-Android Crate-GTACW-Android 16:17, March 5, 2019 (UTC)
I've only known you for a few months, but I quickly realised you're a really friendly and helpful person, here and on Discord. It's sad to see you're resigning, but I wish you all the best! Matrexpingvin (talk) 17:29, March 5, 2019 (UTC)
It's sad to see you go man. I hope you'll stick around! Ultimate94ninja talk · contribs 20:45, March 5, 2019 (UTC)

(Reset indent)You've been a great bureaucrat and editor, I can't think of anyone that has added more content to the wiki than you. I also hope you still stick around in the wiki and the Discord channel, and maybe reconsider your decision someday and come back as a staff member again (I've been there too). Good luck! DocVinewood (talk) 15:13, March 6, 2019 (UTC)

Hey Monk, although I am nobody to advice you on this, but I have to say Thank You mate for making me do editing In a right way, make me add images in a right way. You always guided me as I am still new to all this stuff, but it felt like my elder brother was guiding me. Please come back if you can in the furture, till than wish you all the best! Steve316 (talk) 16:15, March 6, 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for all the messages folks, means a lot - I will definitely see you guys around, I do plan on continuing to contribute as per norm, but not under a staff role. :) Monk Talk 18:53, March 6, 2019 (UTC)


Hey Monk. I'm sorry that I was the catalyst for you taking the big jump to relinquish all your staff roles. You know that I'm not afraid to call out anyone higher up a chain if I feel they deserve it. In hindsight it probably should have been via DM but I wasn't the only one who thought it was a bit "off".

Bureaucratship isn't just about maintenance, it's about leadership and direction, and while I most certainly didn't agree with every decision you made or action you've taken, I could see they were mostly made with the right intent to improve the wiki. Overall I think you've done a really good job of it, even if you're now being overly self-critical and wondering how you ever got the "job" in the first place. Just looking at the wiki before you took the role and the state of it now, I think you have reason to be proud of what you achieved. Even if you consider your crowning achievement as the removal of that other wiki that shouldn't be mentioned by name from the affiliates (regardless of your motivations for doing so), I'd say it has only improved the credibility of this wiki. I do sincerely hope that you stick around and continue to contribute, even if not quite as much as you have to date.

Whoever we elect to fill your role has big boots to fill. Smurfy: illuminate - communicate - spectate 04:38, March 6, 2019 (UTC)

The last thing I want is for you to feel responsible or guilty for my resignation. While what you said was partially responsible for it, it was more of what you was pointing out, rather than how you said it, or that it was you who pointed it out at all. The fact several users pointed it out made it very clear to me I'm becoming lesser and lesser capable of making optimal, administrative decisions on my own. With that pressure on my conscious, I feel I'm probably not the best man for the job anymore, given my ruthless reputation which has layered thicker and thicker above my name for the past couple years. But regardless of that, it means a lot to hear that you think there's some big boots to fill. Thank you Monk Talk 18:53, March 6, 2019 (UTC)

Something different

Hey there, Monk. I know dropping in on you suddenly after your recent resignation must seem kind of rude, but I can assure you that it's only bad timing on my part. Anyways, I have been thinking a lot recently about past events on that wiki, especially with regards to what happened to you. All I have to say is that I've unblocked you from there. And even if you don't particularly feel like editing over there anymore, at least check out the CNB for something that's absolutely hilarious. - Gunshow (T, E) 00:41, March 8, 2019 (UTC)

Thanks Gunshow. While I appreciate you taking the time to think and unblock me, I can't see an unblock lasting very long, perhaps as long as it takes for the 'crats to become active again.
And wow, this is a classic example of how something that gets a tiny bit more interest than other myths almost takes a 180 degree turn and becomes ironic. Monk Talk 12:19, March 8, 2019 (UTC)

New Pages

Hello, Its good to see you're back, and as you said I am asking you if you would help me out in covering the leftover business pages missing from vespucci canals area.

If you can provide high quality logos and screenshots of the stores/businesses of the following:

  • Brazillions Lingerie
  • The Directors Cut Hair Salon
  • Doctor Kush
  • Farmer Giles
  • Fat Losers Liposuction
  • The Germinator Plants & Gardens
  • Icemaiden
  • Jane's Unique
  • Just Pants
  • Marlins Cafe
  • Period Rags
  • Pipe Dreams
  • Pot-Heads Seafood Restaurant
  • Shatner Shoes
  • The Split Kipper
  • Surfries Diner
  • Trinculo Clothing
  • Venetian
  • Wandlust
  • The Well Hung Gallery

It would be very helpful if we together can add these missing pages on the wiki by having the right quality images and logo. If you can please leave a message. Thanks! Steve316 (talk) 09:41, March 9, 2019 (UTC)

Most logos done and uploaded. Monk Talk 11:35, March 9, 2019 (UTC)

Thank you very much those uploads are awesome!!! Steve316 (talk) 11:45, March 9, 2019 (UTC)

Re: Globe Oil

Hmmm, let's see. I was not trying to "destroy" anything you have previously done in the article, sorry if I seemed that way. I thought the "vehicle sponsoring" holds enough information to deserve a separate section on the page, as well as helping the gallery seem less cluttered without the vehicle images. You can check the same changes on Fukaru and Auto Exotic for example. There, you can see I made a separate instance for minor sponsors (which I only mentioned the vehicles featuring the company logo) and main sponsors (the ones appearing on the livery names, as seen on the customization section). These have a dedicated gallery featuring the vehicle name and the livery names on the captions.

For the captions, all of the ones I removed are named "Globe Oil livery" in the vehicle pages, which I thought it would be unnecessary to repeat all over the gallery, since it's already the page name (though I made a special mention on the "Offset Globe Oil" livery for the Toros). Just to mention that other changes I made are just link fixes (removed repeated links, for example), adjusting gallery sizes (they are pretty big BTW) and fixing a little inconsistency regarding Globe Oil filling stations in GTA V (there are 5 in total). These you just harshly reverted without explanation. Anyway, I'm not down to any edit warring, just feel free to change any mess I've made. Csnplayer99 (talk) 15:59, March 9, 2019 (UTC)

Regarding your resignation

Hello, Monk, I see that you have decided to relinquish your role as Bureaucrat. I must admit that this took me greatly by surprise (similar to how my Bureaucrat promotion request so soon after becoming active again surprised you, I assume), and when I first saw that there was a vacant Bureaucrat position on the Requests for Promotion page, I thought that someone had made a mistake! I am very sorry to see you go, as you were an excellent member of Staff in my eyes. May I ask exactly why you feel the need to resign? Also, do you still intend to maintain the Discord Chat and operate your bot? You are most welcome to return to the Bureaucrat position at any time (provided there is a vacancy, of course), and I am sure that few – if anyone – will object to your re-promotion.

TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 11:40, March 13, 2019 (UTC)

Welcome back

Welcome back to the team mate. Sam Talk 17:57, March 27, 2019 (UTC)

Regarding an old edit reversion

Good day, Monk, I was just wondering exactly what the issue was with this edit that you reverted. I notice that you reblocked the user that made that edit soon after (stating that he was "up to his old tricks again"), but I am not exactly sure what the problem was with that particular edit.

TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 17:49, March 30, 2019 (UTC)

Missing Product Images

Hey Monk, I just wanted a help from you to find images of product named "Ear Bleeds" from Sumo in GTA Online and images of the products it has which can be found at warehouses in GTA Online just like Tenshun and also the images of Fruit products next to it. And also if possible product images from warehouse for Deludamol, Power Metal and others etc.

If you can please, Thank you! Steve316 (talk) 05:33, March 31, 2019 (UTC)

Re: Unblocking concerns

Good day, Monk. Yes, I did read all the messages that you mentioned, and as I said in the message on your Message wall at Community Central, it was an executive decision. I actually distinctly remember telling the user off a few years ago (he was under a different username at the time) in Chat for his disruptive Chat messages along with you (see his Talk page), but I feel that a year of punishment is sufficient to allow him another chance. I like to administer this site similarly to Wikipedia, and they do occasionally permit an an indefinitely blocked user to be unblocked if they agree to follow the rules in the future. Even in our own Blocking Policy, we state that the "third block should be indefinite, pending the blocked user agreeing to follow the rules in the future." I understand that my unblock was arbitrary, but as I said in the message on your Message Wall, I will be keeping a close eye on him. I have actually put his contributions page on my browser's Favourites Bar so I can easily review his contributions, and I will immediately block him again if he behaves badly again.

With regards to his rude messages to you back in 2016, I find it as offensive as you do – if not more so, given my dislike of bad language – but the fact remains that it occurred more than two years ago as of the date of this message, and I feel that two years is long enough for someone to change. His removal of the thread from public view was somewhat questionable, it is true, but it occurred on Community Central, not here on this wiki, and I do not believe that they disallow what he did. From personal experience, I have an Xbox Live friend that I met when he was 11, and he became quite unpleasant to be with when he became a teenager (teenage angst, perhaps?), but he became more mature and pleasant again over the years (I believe that he is 16 or 17 now). Perhaps the same is true with this user.

TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 08:19, March 31, 2019 (UTC)

You make good points, and I must admit that I am feeling more and more foolish by the minute about this matter, and to a lesser extent about the "Minecraftwiz219" matter. While I am not trying to use this as an excuse, see this message for my thoughts on why I may have made the decision that I did.
TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 13:41, March 31, 2019 (UTC)

Do you know where the discussion regarding whether the user should or should not remain blocked (as mentioned here) will be held? I cannot work out where it is, as no link was provided.
TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 14:45, March 31, 2019 (UTC)

Page deletion

Hello, I see you deleted my page about the hidden interiors universe of GTA Vice City. Is this because there are too many references to game modifcations in it? If so I could fix this.

Dy7an (talk) 15:27, April 6, 2019 (UTC)

Featured Videos removal

I think that you will be pleased to read this: those mostly irrelevant Featured Videos are finally being suppressed. To be honest, I would not have minede them if we could choose what video to display, since many of them were inappropriate for the pages they appeared on.

TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 02:47, April 11, 2019 (UTC)

Regarding the welcome message

Good day, Monk. I was reviewing the welcome message that is automatically posted on users' Talk pages, and I see that it still contains a link to the GTA Myths Wiki. Since we are no longer affiliated with the aforementioned wiki, do you think that the link should be removed from the message?

TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 02:45, April 14, 2019 (UTC)

Absolutely. I've removed it now. Thanks! Monk Talk 11:32, April 14, 2019 (UTC)

Misinformation regarding Leo Teal, Eugene and Moweesha

Hey Monk. Don't know if you remember me, but I happened to find some misinformation that completely spread out of control on this wiki. I tried to clean it up, and was rollbacked by Kiwismurf. I'm talking to him, but I want to report the whole thing to you.

People have somehow gotten the idea that Eugene and Moweesha - two characters that only exist on the GTA Vice City website - were the gunmen who killed Victor Vance and two minor characters in In The Beginning....

In 2013, a user named Kgman changed the Leo Teal article like this [2], so that instead of saying that he was fingered as a lead in the ambush, his article said that he personally lead the ambush. There is absolutely no evidence to back this up. But, since Leo's a minor character, nobody noticed - and then it seems a number of people just went along with it.

Just for the record the only things confirmed about Leo Teal are, 1) Kent Paul fingered him as possibly knowing something about the ambush because he seemed very pleased with something, 2) he was dealing drugs out of a restaurant, 3) he has a "complicated personal life" with Eugene and Moweesha, 4) he was also somehow acquainted with the Cubans, 5) the Sharks' Leader asked him to help set up a deal with a buy for 'Diaz' Merchandise'.

So stuff gets changed to say that Leo Teal was the lead ambusher. There's no evidence this is true to begin with.

Then someone decides that since he's "associated" with Eugene and Moweesha, they must be the gunmen. However, according to the Vice City website, Eugene is an interior designer who likes "knives, Thailand and the beach" (the clear implication being that he's Leo's bisexual lover and a minor implication that he's a pedophile - Thailand being a hotbed for underage sex. I didn't add anything like that to the article, obviously.). As for Moweesha, Moweesha is a girl's name (stereotypically African-American at that), and the website calls her "paid company" - heavily implying she's either an escort or a prostitute.

Even if we assume that Leo participated in the ambush, which like I said we have no reason to think he was, we shouldn't assume that it means Eugene and Moweesha participated, especially since there's plenty of evidence that Moweesha is a woman. Jeff (talk·stalk) 04:13, April 24, 2019 (UTC)

99% agreed as discussed on our talk pages. Moweesha's gender is sunconfirmed either way but any conjecture on that just goes further down the speculative road. Happy to leave it F. Smurfy: illuminate - communicate - spectate 04:26, April 24, 2019 (UTC)
If you do a google search on "Moweesha -vice" (so it doesn't bring up stuff about the character), it mostly links to women, and a google image search brings up some African American and a few east Indian women. Of course this is Grand Theft Auto, so I would have no problem if you wanted to change Moweesha's gender to unknown. Jeff (talk·stalk) 04:30, April 24, 2019 (UTC)
It is logical to assume that Eugene and Moweesha are the other two hitmen because why else would they have VCPD entries and be listed as associates of the one confirmed hitman? Don't jump to conclusions regarding the gender of Moweesha based on the name alone. Like you said, this is GTA we're talking about. Rockstar could've given the hitman a female name as a joke. SlashM,C 11:03, April 24, 2019 (UTC)
Leo Teal was not one of the hitmen though, as I already explained in detail - that's how this whole misinformation started. As for why they would appear on the website but not in the game? Just because. Rockstar had done it before GTA:VC and they've done it since. It's why we have Category:Unseen characters on the wiki. Jeff (talk·stalk) 17:18, April 25, 2019 (UTC)
You just brought attention to the fact that there isn't any evidence on him being the lead ambusher. It is heavily implied in the game already that he was involved and if you actually take a look at the ambushers in the beginning cutscene, the one in the middle is identical to Leo Teal. Now returning to Eugene / Moweesha, these are not just some random mentions. They are listed as known associates of Teal, who is a confirmed goon in the cutscene. That's why I don't think they're there for no reason. SlashM,C 08:01, April 26, 2019 (UTC)
Actually, Leo Teal has a flat mustache and the middle ambusher has a handlebar mustache - so they clearly aren't the same character. Jeff (talk·stalk) 18:53, April 26, 2019 (UTC)
Incidentally, File:Moweesha&Eugene-GTAVC.png should be deleted. Jeff (talk·stalk) 19:15, April 26, 2019 (UTC)
Maybe Leo shaved his mustache? Its clearly him. kamikatsu_ Talk 19:20, April 26, 2019 (UTC)
  • Texture used in "In the Beginning..."
  • Texture used in "Back Alley Brawl"
Like Kamikatsu pointed out above, Teal could have simply shaved. Other possibility is that Rockstar simply changed Teal's appearance when creating the chef model and didn't go back to change the model you see for roughly 5 seconds. SlashM,C 20:49, April 26, 2019 (UTC)

(Reset indent) One sure thing is that the textures are not truly those of the same character. Aside from the fact that some textures in GTA VC look similar (and it's the model that matters as well), Leo Teal's texture from Back Alley Brawl clearly has differences, including much more wrinkles and a black mustache as opposed to a brown one. Ultimate94ninja talk · contribs 22:11, April 26, 2019 (UTC)

The necklace shared by the two models that no other character in the game has says otherwise. SlashM,C 05:45, April 27, 2019 (UTC)
Look at the entire neck part of their textures. At the very least one model was based on the other. My most probable guess is that Leo Teal was originally intended to be younger and then when they made his chef model to look older they didn't go back and update the model that the player doesn't get a good look at. SlashM,C 05:42, April 27, 2019 (UTC)
Please also keep in mind that the chef model is not referred to as Leo Teal in the game files and that the model is shared with three other pedestrians that come after Tommy after he meets Lance ([3]). SlashM,C 08:16, April 27, 2019 (UTC)
While I appreciate that this matter was brought to a Bureaucrat to discuss with, the initial dispute seems more relevant to the talk page of the articles involved. Personally, I am not entirely sure what to agree with here, but I do understand how these texture similarities might suggest the same character. Sorry if I wasn't of any help. Monk Talk 14:21, April 27, 2019 (UTC)

Minor screw up on factual correction

Hey Monkeypolice188, I saw the pages for Pistol and Pistol Mk II had wrong magazine capacities mentioned (in certain places, in the Pistol page was actually conflicting info within the page) so I changed them. But now I see there's some minor other changes applied as well that I didn't intend for. I'm guessing somehow some code got read differently even though I did use the source version of editing.

Not really sure how to revert and redo without screwing it up again. Could you maybe have a quick look at that?

Crizyz (talk) 03:41, May 2, 2019 (UTC)

You didn't "screw" up, those changes to the code happen sometimes; nothing on the page has been changed, apart from your corrections. Matrexpingvin (talk) 09:44, May 2, 2019 (UTC)

GTA Online Race Template

Hey, I've recently made an article on the first Target Assault Race, but I've noticed there is no "TagretAssaultRace" or something to put under "racetype" to change the colour of the infobox to the green used by these races. This is what I mean; putting "StuntRace" into "racetype" correctly turns the infobox pink. I've taken a look at the template, but I don't know how to even start... Could you maybe take a look if you can, please? Matrexpingvin (talk) 05:42, May 15, 2019 (UTC)

Introduction - Fandom Wiki Manager

Good afternoon Monkeypolice.

I'd like to personally introduce myself to you as you are a very active member of this community.

I am Jr Mme, a Fandom Wiki Manager, and I'll be helping the community of this wiki for any sorts of questions/problems, and be a bridge to full-time Fandom staff.

Please let me know if you have any questions about anything wiki-related. I'll be glad to help you out!

Thank you, - Jr Mime (talk) [VSTF] 23:06, May 15, 2019 (UTC)

GP1 edits

Can you explain to me why you felt the need to revert my edit i made to the GP1 yesterday? I'm factually correct in pointing out the extreme similarity between the Turismo and the GP1. I'm pretty pissed that you did this, let alone give a reason why.

ExodusBF4 (talk) 22:53, May 23, 2019 (UTC)ExodusBF4

Hello, your edits were reverted because the vehicles are not similar. SlashM,C 11:07, May 24, 2019 (UTC)
I fail to see any similarities. Sports cars do tend to be sleek and round. Comparing these is like comparing the Rebel to the Sandking; they both share a purpose and they both go about their approach in the same way. What exactly warrants this as trivia, might I ask? There's nothing trivial about a coincidence if it was one. Monk Talk 16:35, May 24, 2019 (UTC)
I added that section talking about how similar they are, BECUASE THEY ARE. Both the GP1 and Turismo share a highly similar body shape that gradually curves downwards from the rear of both cars. Both have similar headlights. Both have similar doors, and roofs. What more do you want? —Preceding unsigned comment added by ExodusBF4 (talkcontribs) Please remember to sign your talk page messages with ~~~~.
Even so it's still nothing more than a coincidence, not to be brought up as trivia, much less in the article body. Get over it. NoirlimeTalk | Contribs 22:00, May 24, 2019 (UTC)

APC edits, and other crap

Look, i don't know what your problem is, but you're taking this way too far. I added a ton of useful info that stuck around for quite a while, and i made an important contributation to the APC's page. Then, YOU come running along, pissed off at me for adding a small little detail about the GP1 and remove all my APC edits out of spite. You're acting like an immature child throwing a fit. Stop. I'm another editor like you. I added tons of important info to that page that i'm proud of and you just go and undo all of it, for no reason at all. 

ExodusBF4 (talk) 17:04, May 25, 2019 (UTC)ExodusBF4

- Making advisory comments telling users to "use another vehicle" is not a performance analysis. That is a personal opinion based on your own perception of the vehicle. Please remember that the wiki is a public space, where users will read articles, and are able to make their own judgement by reading the facts, not someone else's opinion.
- Claiming that the APC is "defenseless" is somewhat ironic. An armored tank on wheels...mounted cannon...what more can you ask for?
- The GP1 "situation" and the APC edits you have made are not related, and assuming that says a lot more about you than it does about me.
- I'm a bureaucrat - my job is to patrol edits, assess whether they are article-worthy, and remove them if necessary. I am not a "child" and I certainly am not "throwing a fit". If I feel that the edits are obviously not worthy, I won't bother with a summary - I would've thought you could've worked that out.
My personal suggestion would be to take a few moments to think about what you are saying before you go ahead and click that "Publish" button. Thank you. Monk Talk 17:45, May 25, 2019 (UTC)

about Hazer

hello admin, you think the lowrider opponent from the "cesar vialpando" mission and hazer from the "los desperados" mission are same person? they have same model and same voice. can i add to hazer's page about his appearance in "cesar vialpando" mission? ducktales NES 07:45, May 27, 2019 (UTC)

Logo Needed

Hi there, I needed the logo of Ratatat Drums which is a drumset manufacturing company featured in both Grand Theft Auto IV & Grand Theft Auto V. It could be a lot of help if you could provide it. Thank You!!! Steve316 (talk) 03:47, May 29, 2019 (UTC)

Chat Ban?

I was going to ask a question today in the Discord, and I noticed the server was not present. I figured I probably left it because I wasn't too active in there, but when I tried rejoining from the widget in the wiki sidebar, it said the link was invalid. Maybe the invite link tied to the widget was deleted or expired, but I think it's more likely I was banned. Again, I haven't been all that active recently. In fact, I don't even remember the last time I was there. I certainly don't remember the things I said there, but I doubt it was anything serious. I was just wondering why I was banned from chat and how long it'll be until I'm unbanned. My Discord name is Atlas Hugged#8790. - {{SUBST:User:Sigmund_Fraud/Signature/Ref}} 16:15, May 29, 2019 (UTC)

Hi, this appears to be a mistaken ban. I have unbanned you. Thank you. Monk Talk 17:24, May 29, 2019 (UTC)

Car Color templates

Hey man. Long time no see.

Are you able to add an "extend" function on the SA and IV color templates like in the V one? It's because there are some exceptions, as at least three cars from SA have four colors (tertiary and "quaternary", if that's the way to call that :P) and fewer cars from IV and EFLC have a fourth color for the wheels (better don't ask why the Fire Truck doesn't use a fourth color for the wheels. lol).

So, that's all. Could have add it by myself, but sheesh, I barely know this kind of stuff. Thanks in advance. --BodyArmor-GTACW-Android SWAT Cam F VehicleWeapon-GTACW-Android Detonator-GTACW-Android Crate-GTACW-Android 03:21, June 11, 2019 (UTC)

Congratulations, and a bug

I noticed that our wiki is nearing 100,000 images, and i'm pretty exited about that. Also, how come the main page says -1 Active Users? Is that a bug?

ExodusBF4 (talk) 12:49, June 27, 2019 (UTC)ExodusBF4

Selling cars


Why do you want to delete this page? It is missing on this wiki and even if it is not perfect, it is clearly not a sandbox or some vandalism.

Regards, Şÿℵדαχ₮ɘɼɾ๏ʁ 21:24, August 12, 2019 (UTC)


On the fifth anniversary of your first edit, your RFP has been closed and you're back on the staff. Welcome back on board my man, it's great to have you back. :) Sam Talk 22:38, August 12, 2019 (UTC)

Really dude?

You sure love reverting my edits :)

ExodusBF4 (talk) 15:55, August 20, 2019 (UTC)ExodusBF4


(Unnecessary heading changes compiled into one)

Okay okay, I get what you mean.

Just want to tell you that, those information that I intended to fill in were common sense to a lot of players, yet they were missing. A misleading page is no good to the wiki. I hate misleading content, because they essentially scam and fool me, which is unaceptable. Went through GTA Online for two years, fake information all over the place. A lot of cheaters, hackers, modders lie a lot. Stealing content, whatever. I really hate those people.

FEFECHANG (talk) 15:47, August 21, 2019 (UTC)FEFECHANG


I saw your newer message. Okay, I must admit that I shall thank you for your tolerance. This is because, I saw another community that's worse than this one.

They block everyone they suspect a vandal

They don't seem to give chances. A single offense = permanent ban. The main page said that they were 

They don't have anything like "civility". They don't even talk about it. SInce I can't see any, it's likely that they banned all users that don't behave well at sight. (In our local player community, for some reason, they simply never liked foreigners because of their low efficiency, and will attack on sight if recognized, thus, civility is unwanted, but most of them just refuse to show that they don't have it.)

Some users were blocked only after a few edits. I can't get into details

Their rule page is not functional at all. It's likely that they have rules, but only executed by their moderators directly. In addition to this most of the contributions go to the three moderators.

THe only thing they did better than you guys, in my opinion, is that thet have NO CONCERN FOR GRAMMAR. Of course the main page stated that the moderators are not good at English, but they don't undo the edits. One moderator seems to be better at grammar than another, and always try to fix any grammar errors manually on sight. It might be that they just don't want to provoke each other, but the amount of content is not an excuse to undo edits.

Well, you get my idea. Don't feel disturbed, and don't ban me. While I can't do anything, nobody likes being banned.

Also, when I add content, I first search the page to see if it is missing but relevant to the article, then I insert it at the correct location. I do care for the relevancy to the entire database, as such only the most relevant are added. 

But in the end, hey, it's YOUR community, not MINE. You could do whatever you want as long as you see fit, that's what I assume. But whatever. —Preceding unsigned comment added by FEFECHANG (talkcontribs) Please remember to sign your talk page messages with ~~~~.


FIne, I don't think I can do anything in this community. If Icould only screw up, then why don't you just ban me.

You're just a bunch of professionals so I could not serve any help to actual professionals. Off to help new players with their heists.

See you never again.

FEFECHANG (talk) 08:56, August 22, 2019 (UTC)FEFECHANG

Thank you for contributing to the wiki by throwing a temper tantrum like a child instead of taking a look at what experienced editors tell you and improving. Bye, Felicia. SlashM,C 09:07, August 22, 2019 (UTC)
Excuse me, but what triggered this latest response? Was it me trying to fix all of your spelling mistakes, such as "intereact" and "restrctions"? We'd like to have our articles with proper grammar and spelling and not filled with sections that have clearly just been added without proper thought.
The only thing they did better than you guys, in my opinion, is that thet have NO CONCERN FOR GRAMMAR. - I'm sorry, but I personally don't see how this could be beneficial to the Wiki; it's just plain unprofessional. If you can't handle your edits being corrected for their spelling, then spend an extra minute looking over your addition, and if you can't do that, you are free to leave :). Matrexpingvin (talk) 09:12, August 22, 2019 (UTC)

RE: Performance sections

Strange. I actually did some testing on them and revisited other ones via Content Creator back when the Casino DLC was released. It's just that speed tests are not my specialty because I though they need more details like what the RCV has. Sorry about that. --BodyArmor-GTACW-Android SWAT Cam F VehicleWeapon-GTACW-Android Detonator-GTACW-Android Crate-GTACW-Android 20:13, August 26, 2019 (UTC)

Fandom would like to connect you with 2K

Hi Monkeypolice,

Fandom is currently talking to 2K Games about how we could possibly collaborate more closely with each other.

The developer would like to connect with some of the top admins of this wiki, so they may want to talk to you about news and game updates that might be interesting for the wiki's community. Would you be okay with Fandom passing on your e-mail address (the one you have associated with your Fandom account) to them, so they can reach out to you directly?

Please let me know! Mira Laime @fandom  (help forum | blog) 23:39, August 26, 2019 (UTC)

Also, on a completely unrelated note: Would you like to join Fandom's Community Council? Your contributions to the platform certainly show you qualify. Mira Laime @fandom  (help forum | blog) 23:10, August 28, 2019 (UTC)
Great! I'll send you more information via email. Mira Laime @fandom  (help forum | blog) 16:40, August 29, 2019 (UTC)

RE: Patroller

I'll need some time to think about it. I wasn't expecting to be asked about this, and it wasn't something I'd considered before. Qstlijku (talk) 18:44, September 4, 2019 (UTC)

Top Speeds questions

Hello, I have a couple of questions regarding Top Speeds reported here.

I've seen your Manual of Style/Vehicles/Speed Testing, as well as the video example. My question is: How comes your tests differ from the ones made by Broughy1322? He calculates the speed by measuring the time it takes to cover a certain distance in a straight line when the vehicle is at full speed, and his speeds are always higher than the ones you report in your table with this speedometer test. How is that possible?

My second question is, I see you report everywhere that the MaxFlatVel value of the handling meta file is a value expressed in km/h. How did you determine that? Are you sure, and if so, how did you base this conclusion? I'm just asking because other sources report that that value is meant to be mph instead, while again other sources report that that value is neither mph or kmh, but you actually need to multiply it by x1.32 to obtain kmh and x0.82 to obtain mph. So there are 3 different ways of interpreting this value and I'm not sure which one of the three is the correct one lol. Any clarification would be appreciated.

Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Andybadwool (talkcontribs) Please remember to sign your talk page messages with ~~~~.

I answered your first question in reply to your YouTube comment. But for the sake of anyone else reading:
That is a very good question, however, it's important to remember that my tests differ from his as the testing method isn't intended to be the same.
Most of Broughy's testing is more suitable for regular gameplay application, as he's testing on regular San Andreas roads, in regular conditions. My testing is very conditional, being on a completely flat plane (hence the lack of any Z-movement) and with absolutely zero steering.
The problem with Broughy's test is it isn't accurate. It's suitable and absolutely fine for regular game use, but there are several issues with his old straight line testing. First and foremost, the road he tests on isn't straight, and it also isn't flat. Almost all roads in SA are slightly bumpy, and as we all know, bumps in the roads create sudden impulses of speed which add up over time and increase the overall speed. Secondly, his old "speed = d/t" rule wasn't accurate either. He combines an in-game, fixed distance with a real-world time measurement. Combining real world and in-game measurements isn't ideal as the in-game distance measurement isn't to scale, it isn't within the same constant.
One good thing about Broughy's testing is his lap tests. Instead of taking speed results, he uses the time it takes for each car to complete the same track (and averages of them) to compare each car's speed. This is a good way of avoiding any sort of speed calculation, as we're simply using the time it takes and the test conditions are the same each time. These lap times are especially useful when it comes to picking the right car for the job in a race.
My tests are purposed to solely one thing - an accurate, absolute speed value that the car can reach without any bumps or impulses, without any sort of user calculation. They are accurate to the in-game mechanics, but not when it comes to driving on regular roads in regular conditions. Hence my values are slightly lower. This is essentially the result of all the game's internal calculations without anything external (road conditions, weather, modifications, etc) affecting them.
In answer to your second question; No one can absolutely be sure, as there is a slight misunderstanding in the file data itself. However, in older handling.dat files (and the same in GTA IV), editor notes left by the developers read "velocity measured in km/h". It is very, very likely they were referring to the only speed value in the data, MaxFlatVel, as you mention, however, it doesn't explicitly state that. It meerely stated that "velocity" is measured in km/h. So who knows, but it is incredibly likely it is that specific piece of data.
Hope that helps :) Monk Talk 10:57, September 5, 2019 (UTC)
Thanks so much for taking the time to reply and explain the situation in so much detail!
That makes a lot of sense, and from what you explained, your Top Speed tests do sound and look a lot more accurate, it makes perfect sense to do them on the perfect straight line of that "elevated ramp" you use, instead of using a road that indeed is not completely straight. I also see what you mean about d/t not being necessarily accurate either, although I imagine the speedometer trainer probably goes by the same in-game measurements of scale as well - otherwise how else would it calculate the speed?
As far as the MaxFlatVel, gotcha! Either way we put it, that value does never represent the real speed, as we know there are the other variables involved that determine the real speed, so whichever of the 3 interpretations is the correct one, and whether it's meant to be in km/h or mph, I guess it doesn't really matter much anyway, as in either way it does not represent a correct output :)
Again, thanks so much for taking the time, clarifies a lot, really appreciated!
Andybadwool (talk) 11:14, September 5, 2019 (UTC)

Los Santos Customs - NPC Modified Vehicles

Why did you revert my changes to Los Santos Customs NPC modified cars?

There are two different NPC modified Declasse Sabre Turbo models. The red one sells for $15,035 and the green one sells for $7,305.  I added the red one.

There are two different NPC modified Bravado Rat-Loader models.  The yellow one sells for $12,975 and the green one sells for $10,975.  I added the green one.

There are two different NPC modified Imponte Ruiner models. The green+blue one sells for $9,675 and the black+gold one sells for $9,205.  I added the black+gold one.

There are four different NPC modified BF Surfer models. They sell for $8,260, $4,525, $3,500, or $2,850 depending on the color.  I added pictures of each different color.

Each of the NPC modified gang cars comes in 4 different colors: yellow, green, purple, and an "unafiliated" model where the color varies.

Finally, the picture for the NPC modified Declasse Tornado (Softtop) clearly shows a Hardtop Tornado.  I replaced the image with one of the NPC modified gang silver Tornado convertible (the top is light gray).  You can clearly tell it's NPC modified because of the exhaust pipes behind the wheels that all the NPC modified convertible Tornados have.

I spent a lot of time sourcing the rare spawn cars, verifying prices, taking pictures and updating the page.  Do you want people to update this wiki or not?

Wkrick (talk) 05:19, September 6, 2019 (UTC)

Which paint do you had on your taipan?

Emil3122 (talk) 13:16, September 9, 2019 (UTC)

RE: Payback

Thank you very much for the response. I'll try to rewrite the article. Jeansowaty 16:02, September 21, 2019 (UTC)Jeansowaty.

Desperate Request

Hello, thanks for reverting the edited GT-A1 page for obvious reasons, my bad nonetheless IMHO 🙂✌️. Anyway i heard that you are modder so, do you also modding cars from GTA IV? I have a porsche which needs a model tweak, just like the subject says though i'm desperate looking for anyone who can work on my old request 😕🙁☹️.

Thanks and more power in this wikia Fandom 😊! —Preceding unsigned comment added by George Cross (talkcontribs) Please remember to sign your talk page messages with ~~~~.


All female characters also have male animations during cutscenes. Its simply laziness on Rockstar's part as its a game centered around male characters. It's simply Rockstar not wanting to limit the games activities based on gender. And again, laziness on their part as it is more a male oriented environmet. All prostitute dialogue is re-used from story mode, a mode where the only payable characters are male. Laziness is why it is an option and it is NOT Rockstars intention or ideology that the female characters have penises. They don't and you're silly for ever having that mentality. If you think like that, you might as well add that all female characters are transgender on the protagonist page, but I guarantee you, if you asked a Rockstar employee if the female characters are transgender, they would tell you no in a heartbeat, regardless of the prostitute situation. Myelle (talk) 19:50, October 20, 2019 (UTC)

You got the users mixed up. It was Leftistthot who was adding the info over an over, not Monk. Ultimate94ninja talk · contribs 21:27, October 20, 2019 (UTC)

This is blatant disregard for logic or critical thinking by Monkeypolice188. Extremely disappointed Maxwix (talk) 21:58, October 20, 2019 (UTC)


Thank you for your kind message, brother. I'll still stick around and contribute occasionally. Ultimate94ninja talk · contribs 15:31, October 29, 2019 (UTC)

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