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Just a thought that came to me while playing GTA with a friend: would you ever think of adding in the top speeds for fully-modded vehicles as well as the base? I'm merely curious about this fact is all-it may help when choosing cars if the info is known/posted. Thank you for your time CelticDragon0 (talk) 09:14, September 2, 2017 (UTC)


Appreciate it Kiwi, I may just do that. I was really hoping my little question didn't offend you (was really trying to word it in a way that came across respectfully) and I believe that was accomplished. I, for one, find it kinda interesting to see the difference between what the meta file shows and the visuals, but to each their own. Thanks so much for your help CelticDragon0 (talk) 10:37, September 2, 2017 (UTC)


Dear Kiwismurf, Despite my efforts I was unable to add name and licence in the visual editor to my file. Due to Some reasons I was not getting option to add licence shown in the example. Anyway, thanks for correcting my mistake.

Navinsingh133 (talk)~~

Insurgent Custom

Hey Kiwi!

Figured I go this way since the last time I edited a page it didn't go well. While playing with the Insurgent Custom with my friend, we noticed that in most standard missions (like 'The Parking Garage') the proxy mines are disabled (tested on the PS4). Perhaps this should be mentioned on the vehicle page? Thank you for your time CelticDragon0 (talk) 20:54, September 12, 2017 (UTC)

Quotes and Dialogues

Hey man, so dialogues aren't supposed to be on characters page? Sorry about that... The reason why I did that was because firstly, the Lazlow one was like that (although quite rare), and secondly, I wanted to add audio files for the characters, and some of them feel kinda weird if it was just left like that (e.g. Catalina), whereas the CJ one was because Sweet immediately said his line after the "out of the hood...", making it kinda hard to cut it out. FinnMcMissile1998 (talk) 04:13, September 14, 2017 (UTC)FinnMcMissile1998

Eh I wouldn't say discouraged, since we all make mistakes... anyway in that case perhaps I should re-edit the Woozie page and Floyd page. Also I have done editing CJ's and Catalina's quote, perhaps go check and see if it's okay?
One more thing, the quote on Amanda De Santa's page... do you have any idea on where in game did she said that? I tried looking in every mission with her appearance, and also emails, but can't seem to find it anywhere...
FinnMcMissile1998 (talk) 05:22, September 14, 2017 (UTC)FinnMcMissile1998
Another question, say for the mission "Ran Fa Li", I want to make it to be a dialogue between Woozie, CJ and Ran Fa Li. Which template should I use? So far I've seen "Dialogue4", that's for when there are more than 2 quotes, but for 2 characters. What if there are 3 characters? What should I type in the {{}}?
FinnMcMissile1998 (talk) 08:51, September 14, 2017 (UTC)FinnMcMissile1998

RE: Muppet Videos

I've deleted them and the blog post. LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 10:55, September 14, 2017 (UTC)

Yeah I've noticed the amount of inactivity amongst the admins, I think you should apply for it. LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 11:09, September 14, 2017 (UTC)
No I never noticed, shame but I guess I'll remove his admin abilities and take him off the list of staff. LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 17:26, September 14, 2017 (UTC)

Image License

I'm sorry, but when I uploaded Downtown Showdown-GTAVCS-Map.png & Downtown_Showdown-GTAVCS-Race.png I forgot to add the license, and I didn't know how to add it later Kitzushita (talk) 12:00, September 16, 2017 (UTC)

I'm using a computer, I had forgotten the general rule about images names because last time I edited Wikia was more than 1 year ago, so thanks for the help! Kitzushita (talk) 12:15, September 16, 2017 (UTC)

RE: Staff

Yeah those two do seem like possible candidates, if they feel like it then they can make a request on the RfP page. LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 13:12, September 16, 2017 (UTC)


Congrats Smurf, you have been promoted (back) to admin. I have updated everything necessary. LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 13:37, September 16, 2017 (UTC)

re. Findings

No worries! Actually I can't take all the credit, some guys on the gtaforums pointed out fake edits regarding highway numbers in SA, I just sleuthed to find who was behind it. Just goes to show, every bit helps! :D - Universetwisters (talk) 05:19, September 17, 2017 (UTC)

Dear Sean

Nice to see you being an admin again. Like old times. GTAFan86 (talk) 16:04, September 17, 2017 (UTC)

Dialogue templates... again

Hey man, me again. Wanna ask you about them dialogue templates... there are quite a few examples which I need to ask you.

First one is Running Dog, where Carl actually mentioned a "What?" before Smoke started to threaten the Vagos. I know it's a small thing, but just want to make it complete... :P Anyway, what template should I use for that?

Second one is the Vlad one, the dialogue at death section... is there no Dialogue template for that?

Third one is No Love Lost. If I want to type the complete dialogue from "Am I property of The Lost Now?" to "I'm gonna get the brothers, and we're gonna kick your fucking ass.", what template should I use?

All in all, is there actually a page of complete examples of dialogue templates where I can go to and check it out?

FinnMcMissile1998 (talk) 18:03, September 21, 2017 (UTC)FinnMcMissile1998

Why was this deleted? Please explain.

(Deletion log); 06:25 . . Kiwismurf (Talk | contribs) deleted page Auto merchant ‎(Irrelevant / nonsense: content was: "#REDIRECT Auto Merchant Category:Redirects" (and the only contributor was "FluXion Cavalier"))

(Deletion log); 06:25 . . Kiwismurf (Talk | contribs) deleted page Italian ‎(Irrelevant / nonsense: content was: "#REDIRECT Italy Category:Redirects" (and the only contributor was "FluXion Cavalier"))

I don't see what's "irrelevant" or "nonsensical" about capitalization and word derivative-based redirects. I made them so they wouldn't show up as red links in this article. That's it. So, once again, why were they deleted? FluXion Cavalier Talk 06:38, September 22, 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestions and advices!

I have done editing the dialogue template in Running Dog and Vlad's death section using your suggestion of DialogueNew. Thanks for the advies and suggestions!

FinnMcMissile1998 (talk) 17:19, September 24, 2017 (UTC)FinnMcMissile1998


Hi i noticed you took down my edits. I have the game on prologue and i can confirm the information for example there is a A-Z magazine in Gta V shown —Preceding unsigned comment added by Downtoearth1 (talkcontribs) 2017-09-25T00:01:18 Please remember to sign your talk page messages with ~~~~.

Hi i got a bettr photo for corkers poster. Could you please add it, i dont want to mess anthing up—Preceding unsigned comment added by Downtoearth1 (talkcontribs) Please remember to sign your talk page messages with ~~~~.
Sorry i realised what i did now. But i only did it once and it said if you do it again you will get blocked and i didnt do it twice but i got blocked. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Downtoearth1 (talkcontribs) 2017-09-26T08:42:57‎ Please remember to sign your talk page messages with ~~~~.


Hey Sean. How's going?

Could you please restore this page? I assumed it is deleted because I simply "broke it" with a table I've added last time and would be good to have it back and remove said table from it. Thanks in advance. --BodyArmor-GTACW-Android.png SWAT Cam F VehicleWeapon-GTACW-Android.png Dispatch Data Files 01:01, September 25, 2017 (UTC)

Yeah. At least it is one of the "smallest" of the list, unlike Vehicles.meta/GTAV or Carvariations.ymt/GTAV, which are already over 1M bytes on data and stuff like that. Could be a bit more confortable if there was a reversion to save some space, as it is still a great asset for the vehicle data he started long time ago. And yes, probably it was stupid of me to add that table just to get that page removed. --BodyArmor-GTACW-Android.png SWAT Cam F VehicleWeapon-GTACW-Android.png Dispatch Data Files 02:12, September 25, 2017 (UTC)

RE: Cargobob

Well, there are some data regarding damage multipliers in the Handling.meta/GTAV, but that is solely applied to the stock vehicles, rather than scripted ones (like in cases where scripted cars are either weaker/stronger than the average vehicle). These are: "CollisionDamageMult", "WeaponDamageMult", DeformationDamageMult, "EngineDamageMult".

Say, the Forklift has a weapon damage multiplier of 4, which probably means it is pretty weak against bullet-based weapons, while the Rhino has a multiplier of 0.03, which could mean it is very strong against bullets. Obviously, damage depends of the weapon used. By having just "1" means there, resistance is "normal".

Still not sure how that works, as there will be other variables that makes every vehicle different (like how the Rhino in Story Mode is stronger on the front, able to withstand a full-ammo Minigun and just smoking bad, but not destroyed). --BodyArmor-GTACW-Android.png SWAT Cam F VehicleWeapon-GTACW-Android.png Dispatch Data Files 03:37, September 25, 2017 (UTC)


Not entirely sure why you're asking someone who doesn't even the game (Camilo). Any file-based stuff he has was what I gave him and taught him.

Anyway, to clean up some confusion:

This is Cargobob's handling.dat damage-related stuff.

      <fCollisionDamageMult value="1.500000" />
      <fWeaponDamageMult value="0.500000" />
      <fDeformationDamageMult value="3.000000" />
      <fEngineDamageMult value="1.500000" />

Note the word "Multiplier" - multipliers aren't solid base values. They custosimise other values which aren't listed in the game's files from what I can find. I believe these are RAGE files, which makes sense considering the way durability works doesn't seem to be entirely based around values.

Either way, these multipliers would customise prefab durability preferences, ie, small helicopter, medium helicopter, large helicopter, sedan, armored car, heavy duty vehicle, truck, small van, large van, etc, etc, etc. From here, each vehicle that goes under these types of categories has a tunable multiplier which adjusts the prefab preference to the vehicle's needs.

Anyway, the data I listed above is of the standard Cargobob that would spawn on random helipads, randomly. I can totally relate to your anecdote you talked about; my personal Cargobob is really weak compared to Pegasus, and the mission provided Cargobob is completely the opposite.

It seems that the way the game spawns the Cargobob for different scenarios changes these multipliers. 1.5 is the regular collision multiplier. I expect the mission-provided variant would be something much larger, perhaps even 3.0, whereas the personal variant would be lower, probably 0.5.

Contrary to what Camilo though, lower multiplier does not equal more durable. The rhino has a lower value because its prefab durability is significantly large, that small multiplier adjusts it slightly.

In answer to the question, however, no. This is rockstar-end stuff, so we don't have any data for that. I'm going to dig into some other vehicle stuff, vehiclelayouts, etc, see what else I can work from.

PS: I deleted the vehiclemodelsets.dat page because I also deleted all the other stupidly large data pages (handling.dat, vehicles.meta, etc), because they are too large, hard to work with, pretty pointless, but the whole OpenIV situation back a few months ago was what triggered the initial deletions, I just forgot to delete vehiclemodelsets.dat while I was at it. Camilo also created a silly table to list all the data which wasn't really necessary at all. We don't need to put data into tabular form as we don't need to list entire files on the wiki. Monk Talk 12:58, September 25, 2017 (UTC)

Most of Online is server-based. Obviously, models, audo, textures, certain pieces of data, etc, are on your own computer, but scripts and mission-based data, and a lot of spawning-related information are at Rockstar's end. Everything's streamed from there - for example, Heists - the scripts for Online Heists are nowhere to be found. The game simply uses the models, sounds, etc, puts them together, and streams the scripts from R*'s servers to run the mission. Same with the majority of Online races, Stunt Races, Freemode Events, almost every single part of CEO and Biker stuff (except the VIP/MC Work and Challenges, they're local), etc. This is a big shame, really is, because once Online is shut down for good, all those great missions are just, lost. I wish, but very much doubt, they'd port them to story-mode eventually, some how, as I really love some of the Online missions. It'd take some pretty experienced script modders to recreate them if they do go eventually.
So from what I can see, and what's obvious from that, certain vehicle-spawning for online is definitely Rockstar's end.
The Cargobob spawning on helipads randomly is the same Cargobob model that: appears in the Gunrunning mission, the Pegasus one, and the one converted from a regular Pegasus to a Personal Aircraft. There's only 4 models of cargobob, one is littered with TPI graphics (cargobob3), one is a Jetsam version (cargobob2), and one doesn't have open sides (cargobob4, dawn raid). So it's definitely the regular cargobob model. Each variant is fixed to its livery, so no ability for the game to put a different livery on a different model. Besides, if this was the case, all four of the variants use the same handling, so they'd have to have the same base durability and multipliers.
There's no question - the mission-Cargobob is definitely different - the rear hatch is automatically opened and can't be closed, the hook is much larger to compensate for the large size of the Rhino (and pretty handy I must say), and the overall durability is significantly more than the regular versions. I've noticed the same with the Jetsam variant during Smuggler's Air Freight Sell Missions - it takes some shit to take it down, same case with the Titan and Skylift during those missions too.
Either way, I agree, they shouldn't be different. It's quite annoying knowing I purchased the aircraft workshop upgrade literally 3 days ago solely to recolor my Cargobob after realising how the game was able to recolor a liveried vehicle, only to realise that not only was the helicopter weaker, but also that landing on the helipad at my CEO Office caused it to be sent back to the hangar after exiting. Such a pain in the ass. What's more, unlike regular PV's, PA's can't be requested to your current location if they're already out somewhere else. Inconvenient, but I expect that's game balancing for you (says that while being able to spawn a Buzzard, for free, right next to me). It's be really convenient for the Cargobob to be added to the CEO Vehicles, probably a 20,000k fee for non-owners, or completely free if owned. That way it can go along with the others and be much more durable (cough, Baller Armored, cough, Schafter LWB Armored) and be matte black (because who doesn't love the Cargobob in matte black? You already took that away from us anyway). Monk Talk 13:58, September 26, 2017 (UTC)

Real Estate Template

I love it, I really do. Very nice configuration. The one thing that pisses me off (ain't your fault, simply wikitext bullshit), is the fact you have to manually undisplay (hide) your selection before selecting another. Other than that, flawless.

PS: Made some changes respective to your idea about the configuration of the vehicle website modules. A respectable color scheme has also been fitted, more relevant to the website's colors. Monk Talk 17:42, September 29, 2017 (UTC)

Well, things were looking good, until I went ahead and published this.
What, the, f*ck. It seems max-width is literally the most useless property in the world. If something overrides the max-width value, max-width gives up on all hope. I'm really unsure how to sync all the widths.
It reminds me of a vehicles.meta flag I saw on the Anti-Aircraft Trailer, called "FLAG_KEEP_ALL_TURRETS_SYNCED" - we really need something to sync all the widths of the sections, as it looks fucking awful at the moment. Any suggestions? The layout and color are perfect, but now we have to deal with the data itself. Monk Talk 20:15, September 30, 2017 (UTC)
I'm now starting to debate whether sticking with row-based structure was a better idea, and simply revamping the colorscheme and overall style, as it's better suited for the wiki. Not sure, I'm going to "pause" the project on the CNB as the final result definitely didn't function correctly, which was strange because it seemed to work for the most part. Monk Talk 20:31, September 30, 2017 (UTC)
Well, haven't you been busy!
The scrollbar was something I considered, but not entirely in that sense. Either way, that's a genius work around. I can't imagine there'll be too many prices so much so the reader has to physically scroll to see them all, but either way it's a good substitute.
Nice fixes on the widths. I had played around with 33% at the beginning of testing but anytime I did so I got awful margin levels. Glad your width changes fixed that. Still weird how max-width behaves at the moment.
It's also 6:30 in the morning and physically can't open my eyes enough to strain at specific coding changes :( :p it's also extremely dark for 6:30. I tried sleeping on the idea but dreams took over that haha. Monk Talk 05:36, October 1, 2017 (UTC)
Well, it does look pretty damn good, yeah. I think I'll just go ahead and make the changes you made to my vehicle template official, and we can make any other minor adjustments based around issues we find during updating websites. Thanks Sean. Monk Talk 17:42, October 4, 2017 (UTC)
Things are looking good over at my sandbox. Price tabs are becoming a small issue (Duke O Death ran into problems), but will definitely change things like "Story Mode" to "SP" and "Trade price" to "Reward price" with h:titles. There's now only really minor template width override, present on the Oppressor (I think?), hardly noticeable and doesn't seem to shift anything else either. Monk Talk 21:28, October 4, 2017 (UTC)

Big Smoke's Quote?

Hey Smurf, just want to ask you about Big Smoke's quote. I mean sure, the damn train quote doesn't really reflect his character and all... but does the current one do? And correct me if I am wrong, but isn't quote supposed to be like, something said by someone? Because that's what I thought, and I figured that I should put the most famous one... Dude literally was famous on the internet for "the damn train" quote and "2 number 9s" quote. Even people who never played GTA get to know Big Smoke because of the damn train memes. The way I see it, some of the quotes by other characters didn't really reflect their personality too much either... And, the quote was put up there for close to a month, nobody really changed it, I think you did noticed it before as well, so... why not OK all of a sudden? Thanks!

FinnMcMissile1998 (talk) 03:53, October 2, 2017 (UTC)FinnMcMissile1998

Re: Irish/Ireland

Thank you for the welcome back. Your point is taken: I will no longer create such redirects in the future. Unfortunately, I have created a host of similar redirects in the past, and I can no longer remember which national pages have demonym redirect pages that point to them. If you find any such redirects, feel free to delete them.

TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 22:00, October 4, 2017 (UTC)

Coding issue

Hello, Sean, I have a coding issue that I need your assistance with: I am trying to make the "Reflist" template take a parameter which will allow the group= parameter of the <references/> tag to be added and/or modified (as seen in this example), but I cannot make the <references/> tag accept the #if: parser function (or any other parser function, for that matter). I do not believe that I can simply import the Wikipedia version of the "Reflist" template due to the fact that several other templates and modules appear to be transcluded into it, which would render it inoperable here. Could you please look into the issue?

TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 09:10, October 5, 2017 (UTC)

It is indeed! Coming to think of it, I have no idea why I did not think of checking Community Central before. How silly of me! Do you know how the code works, by any chance? If so, could you provide me with a quick explanation so that I can use it on other templates if necessary?
TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 09:59, October 5, 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, I will have a look at the resources that you have directed me to. Thank you very much for your assistance, I wasted an hour trying to fix that issue myself.
TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 10:17, October 5, 2017 (UTC)

Factual correction

Hi. I added a detail about Issi car to trivia, why did you removed it?

Alfapeet (talk) 21:14, October 5, 2017 (UTC)Alfapeet

Problem with the vehicle Infobox template

Hello again, Sean, I have another relatively minor issue that I would like your assistance with. It appears that the vehicle Infobox has a code error that was likely introduced in a more recent update to it, as I do not remember it being there in in the past: captions added underneath the main Infobox image lack any form of formatting despite the fact that formatting markup is applied, and there seems to no longer be a line break between the caption and the "Rear quarter view" link (see this page for an example). I am not sure if the error is with the coding of the template or with the Wikia software, but could you please have a look at the template and try and fix it if you can?

TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 22:03, October 5, 2017 (UTC)

It appears to be a Wikia issue, as no changes were made to the infobox css or template locally, and it's also occurring on my own wiki. Monk Talk 22:08, October 5, 2017 (UTC)
In the case of your wiki, Monk, it the entire caption seems to be italicized. Is that meant to happen?
TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 22:13, October 5, 2017 (UTC)

Jiffi Blista

Don't even bother mate. It's completely false. This sort of thing would be covered in vehiclemodelsets.meta, and not a single match is present. It's clear bollocks. Monk Talk 19:03, October 6, 2017 (UTC)

Regarding your deletion of lowercase redirects

Good day, Sean. While I do not object to it, may I ask for the reasoning behind your removal of lowercase redirects that I created? I created them following the reasoning of Wikipedia:Redirects are cheap and the guidelines of Wikipedia:Redirect, since there are no written policies concerning the creation of redirects on the GTA Wiki.

TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 09:02, October 7, 2017 (UTC)

Well reasoned. However, I think that there is a need for this guideline to be codified as a Policy. Like I said, I have no objections to your decision, but there is a great potential for confusion if it is not written as a Poilcy. Like Mustafa, I have been creating similar redirects for a very long time, and you are the first Staff member who has objected to or deleted them.
UPDATE: I have decided to propose the aforementioned Policy on the Community Noticeboard: please feel free to vote and comment there if you wish to.
12:25, October 7, 2017 (UTC)
TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 09:46, October 7, 2017 (UTC)

Talk page message

Good day, Sean, I have posted a message on the Talk page for "Auto merchant" that concerns you. Please feel free to view it and reply if you wish.

TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 17:39, October 7, 2017 (UTC)

Dynasty 8 Template

So I totally didn't copy you at all by implementing the same idea for the Interior Dashboard page. I think it works nicely, HOWEVER, why on earth don't galleries (or any other files for that matter) display in the information pane? I don't understand why that doesn't work out, but other than that, almost flawless. :P Monk Talk 20:52, October 7, 2017 (UTC)


I know, Smurf. It's just that it was all fine assuming he got the message from Tom and Monk some time ago, until he did what he did. No worries about "over-taking" my warning, as long as it is for good (and also before it becomes a problem). --BodyArmor-GTACW-Android.png SWAT Cam F VehicleWeapon-GTACW-Android.png Dispatch Data Files 16:47, October 15, 2017 (UTC)

Re:Media policy violations

Hey there, i'm sorry about that... i didn't noticed my warnings for ignoring the media policy. TheKamikatsu17 (talk) 11:30, October 17, 2017 (UTC)

Delete the 'Bad upload', that was a mistake... I will upload it again later TheKamikatsu17 (talk) 11:53, October 17, 2017 (UTC)

That guy in the artwork are not 8-Ball... he is the Vice City Mambas' quarterback (mission Two-Hand Toss) —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheKamikatsu17 (talkcontribs) 2017-10-17T12:15:05 Please remember to sign your talk page messages with ~~~~.
How i can edit the image's name after i uploaded it? TheKamikatsu17 (talk) 01:13, October 18, 2017 (UTC)

From SynlianoX

Hello, Kiwismurf

I think GTA Series's Videos are the best for post in those Mission's pages.

If you don't like it, I will not do it again. (uploading GTASeries's videos and replace the old videos) Sorry for my English. My English isn’t that good and I’m still practicing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SynlianoX (talkcontribs) 2017-10-17T14:14:46 Please remember to sign your talk page messages with ~~~~.

I'm so sorry again for my misunderstood and now I got it. LOL —Preceding unsigned comment added by SynlianoX (talkcontribs) 2017-10-18T02:35:57 Please remember to sign your talk page messages with ~~~~.

Re: Mechanics

Not bad. Normally I would only write the first instance of each Grand Theft Auto title per section in its full form, but I do not see why an exception cannot be made here, as it is not a hard-and-fast rule in any case. By the way, if you are free, could you please consider creating a similar template for military fighter planes (both jet and prop planes)? If you do not, I will look into creating such a template myself soon. See this article for an example of what I am referring to.

By the way, I do not know whether you follow or are interested in politics, but in any case, congratulations on the election of your new Prime Minister.

TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 06:56, October 19, 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for creating the template. I will review it soon. By the way, I have edited your first template so that the Grand Theft Auto titles are linked if they are the first on the list on their relevant article, and also abbreviated recurring instances of such titles. However, if you (or anyone else) decide to add new articles to that list, I would suggest that you add them to the bottom of the list so that the appearance of the template will not be inadvertently broken.
As for the election of your Prime Minister, I will admit that I am not particularly versed in New Zealand politics, and I only mentioned it because I happened to hear about it on the news. However, I appreciate you sharing your political views with me, and I do enjoy discussing politics, so if you feel the desire to do so with me, feel free to do so anytime.
TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 08:46, October 19, 2017 (UTC)

Feel free to change the ordering of the list if you wish to, but be sure to update the parser functions as well if you do.
TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 08:52, October 19, 2017 (UTC)

One more thing: do you think that mechanics from other Grand Theft Auto games should be added to the list? I was thinking about doing so, but I do not know whether it is a good idea or not.
TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 08:56, October 19, 2017 (UTC)

My thoughts exactly. I will leave the template as it is. Thank you for your help.
TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 09:20, October 19, 2017 (UTC)


Why I can't remove a category from a page? I created a page and i can't remove the categories (Businesses in GTA III/Liberty City Stories) —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheKamikatsu17 (talkcontribs) 2017-10-20 13:58:14 Please remember to sign your talk page messages with ~~~~.

Template Work

Hey Sean,

I've been trying to play around with the template work on here, but I'm not getting anywhere. The race splits in half half way through, and as such, I thought it'd make sense to have that replicated on the template. At the moment, the left and right turns are listed one after the other, but initially, I tried to make them next to each other. The size of the images wouldn't work, so my next idea was to plant the tables into horizontal scrollboxes at 50% width, sat next to each other, so users can scroll each table horizontally to reveal the images of each. I can't get Scrollboxes to sit next to each other. I was almost there, but they seem to want to sit underneath each other, down the page. Could you take a look, see what you could do? Monk Talk 14:19, October 26, 2017 (UTC)

Picture problem

hello Kiwismurf, well if uploading pictures always get me in trouble then i stop, that getting annoying that all the good thing i do is always reported thank you  Bellic58 (talk) november 5, 2017, 10:41 am

Madrazo Cartel in Smuggler's Run

Say Kiwi, i wanted to know something the members of the mexican mafia in Smuggler's Run are actually Madrazo Cartel members or Really Mexican Mafia members as seen on the picture i have uploaded earlier, one of them have the same skin as Javier Madrazo in one of GTA V mission given by Martin Madrazo.

Are they one and same gang ? 

About the gang's vehicle (Car, Helicopter, Boat, Plane)

Can you tell me out of all the gangs of GTA V/GTA Online, is some of them have a means of transport aside from the cars ?

like helicopter or boat in some of the GTA Online Missions ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bellic58 (talkcontribs) Please remember to sign your talk page messages with ~~~~.

Rename Research Files

Cheers for renaming those. I was going to last night but got bogged down in a lot of vehicular work. Monk Talk 12:22, November 5, 2017 (UTC)

Constant reverting of edits

It looks like you are reverting my edits most of the time. Are these done in good faith or is there a misunderstanding I do not now of? You're the one who's starting edit wars here, not me! BlitzBrigadier (talk)


There's some guy adding links from another wikia in the Billy's character page.

Picador design reversion

I respectfully disagree with the reversion of my Picador design edit. First things first no point in saying it it more modern in appearance if it's based on the same El Camino as the one from GTA SA in addition to the Holden being made around the same time. I do think it is based more on the 68-70 El Camino than the 71-72 on the key factors that the GTA V Picador doesn't have single headlights and the more "boxy" design that would pretty much make this a copy of the GTA SA version. Perhaps I am blind but the only thing i'm seeing that isn't making this based entirely off of the 68-70 is the Holden cab which I recognize as being on this car but is quite large compared to it's real life inspiration and no more shallower the El Camino's. Another oversight would be the fact the Picador has circular mirrors, not square. I would also like to note that the grille and headlights are all 68-70, not 64-67. Plus that shortend suspension does give it a lowrider look. - Nonstopmaximum

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