three main protagonists

we need to update Dark|Shadow|Sword 18:09, November 8, 2012 (UTC)

I agree. GTA V has 3 protaganists, Michael, Trevor, and Franklin. The protagonist link on the main page should not be redirected to Michael's page, but should lead to a page listing all of the protagonists of GTA V. Forcaster (talk) 04:07, February 24, 2013 (UTC)
Someone has to fix this!!!!!!!!!!Akismastro (talk) 18:02, June 27, 2013 (UTC)


Why cant I edit this page? I just wanted to put an official screenshot of Micheal on the phone, at the home page of this wiki, it sais anyone can edit. I swear, hipocrates and politics... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Akismastro (talkcontribs) 18:02, June 27, 2013 Please remember to sign your talk page messages with ~~~~.

First of all, hypocrites and politics has nothing to do with this Wiki. Second, stop being so ignorent. Third, I'm going to tell you why we keep some pages locked from editing.
  1. Alot of pages about Beta Releases, protags. and antags. have been locked because many editors will put speculation and irrelevent info about them. The Beta page has way too many speculations and thats why it is locked.
  2. Vandals will mess up the pages stated in 1 and that's why we locked them to prevent editing
  3. Even though the Home Page says "This wiki about the Grand Theft Auto series that anyone can edit" we still have to twist that rule for the pages to be locked because of huge GTA fanboys who will post anything that their imaginations come about while playing GTA and because of vandals. The Home Page, we're not obligated, even admins, to edit it because of vandals attacking this page when GTA Wiki was founded in 2006.
If you want to edit on the locked pages, ask these admins to unlock it for you. P.S. Sign your posts with 4 tildes or the signature button. Tony (talk) 18:56, November 10, 2012 (UTC)
Thanks man I just wanted to know, practicly I got mad because of that, second of all, admins should upload the official GTA V screenshots that came out from {{Unsigned

Interlanguage/Interwiki Links

Please Add: de: Michael (V) es: Michael pl: Michael thanks, Mike alias the Checker (talk) 21:31, November 15, 2012 (UTC)

Why we still use picture for beta model of Michael?

I thought this wiki is somewhat 'official', why nobody updates picture? We have way clearer and better and close to completed game. And we still use picture for beta model of Michael? If you guys (admins) locked page, then keep update it! Kevin J.R. (talk) 17:49, February 10, 2013 (UTC)

Unnamed topic by R3h4n786

'First playable GTA character that has a family'...what about CJ in San Andreas? He had sweet and Kendl.

R3h4n786 (talk) 13:13, June 22, 2013 (UTC)

It refers to the fact that Michael has a wife and kids.Dodo8 Talk
Yeah but the article says that Micheal is a family man but CJ had family! Akismastro (talk) 11:55, June 23, 2013 (UTC)

First protagonist

We dont have to mention that Michael is the first protagonist of GTA V that came to their minds. Akismastro (talk) 08:10, June 23, 2013 (UTC)

I cant remeber were but im sure rockstar did say that he was.The Lost and Found (talk) 22:55, September 12, 2013 (UTC)
They did say it, I beleieve it was in the Game Informer preview interview. Matt Seay (talk) 00:13, September 13, 2013 (UTC)

Michael's vehicles

Someone should update Michael's owned vehicles tab and put that he also owns a black Tailgater. I'd do it but I don't know how to edit the Character tab. Thank you to anyone who does it...NikoFreedom (talk) 21:10, August 14, 2013 (UTC)

Updated. Btw that's a good act from you to ask someone to edit if you want to learn how to edit go to the Help Section.  Kingrhem (TalkEdits) 21:31, August 14, 2013 (UTC)

Leaked last name

I thought that the wiki said we are sataying away from the leaks but you are still using the leaked name. (talk) 09:46, August 31, 2013 (UTC)

As far as we know, De Santa is an alias Tracey used for her audition Jackbel (talk) 10:02, August 31, 2013 (UTC)

De Santa (RDR)

You remember Caption Vincente from  Red Dead Redemption? He has the same last name, Vincente De Santa. I think it's possible that he is related to the De Santa family in GTA V! RealgrandpaJoeWCG (talk) 14:35, August 31, 2013 (UTC)

The HD universe in the Grand Theft Auto series has no relations to any other universe in intertainment. The one and only... (talk) 01:38, September 12, 2013 (UTC)

Last Name

Where is it stated that his last name is De Santa? Matt Seay (talk) 07:37, September 4, 2013 (UTC)

This picture from a leaked video of his daughter Tracey - my speculation stated above still stands Jackbel (talk) 09:45, September 4, 2013 (UTC)
This should be deleted, our rules say: No leaked info. Kingrhem (TalkEdits) 10:14, September 4, 2013 (UTC)
I found this out after my post, guess I should have done some more digging lol....but thanks anyway. Matt Seay (talk) 11:36, September 4, 2013 (UTC)

Karin BeeJay X

I was watching a gameplay stream and there is a mission where you have to sneak into Michaels house and take a yellow BeeJay X. It is definetly his car because he had it parked in a garage and he was pointing a gun at Franklin in the car (he was hiding in it).

V-michael-trunk-miniV-franklin-trunk-miniV-trevor-trunk-mini 17:10, September 13, 2013 (UTC)

Real Name - Michael Townley

Watched another stream.

Mission: Friends Reunite

Trevor asked Wade to look for "Michael Townley" but instead he found "Michael De Santa".

Seeing as this is "Friends Reunite" mission AND Michael name being said and looked for, Michael Townley is his real name.



EDIT: Yep. This is it. In the next missions there is 100% evidence. Scumbag Fraps didn't record picture though, only sound so I'll have to post that later.

V-michael-trunk-miniV-franklin-trunk-miniV-trevor-trunk-mini 21:48, September 13, 2013 (UTC)

In addition, if you were to have seen the (end of the) first mission of the game, you'll clearly see the mourning of Michael as what appears to be his North Yankton family believe him to be dead and in a grave. The name on his tombstone is "Michael Townley," and in the background, it shows Michael just watching as he has to leave his past life behind.:D (TCFF) 03:01, September 15, 2013 (UTC)
His real name is Michael Townley, De Santa is an alias given by the FIB. The page should be renamed.Dodo8 Talk
The page shouldn't be renamed. His name was changed to De Santa, so that is his name, so that's what his page should be called. Tom Talk 08:52, September 17, 2013 (UTC)
I agree. Let's use Bernie Crane as an example: theugy's rela name is Florian Cravic, but as Cravic changed his name, the name of the page is his current name. -- ILan (XDEditsHome ) 11:12, September 17, 2013 (UTC)
        Maybe Michael changed his name to De Santa so the cops wont search for him. Hamodey1 (talk) 21:21, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Michael De Santa is really Michael Keane from GTA4!

Michael De Santa, one of the three main protagonists of Grand Theft Auto V is, I believe to be, Michael Keane from Grand Theft Auto IV. Why?

"De Santa" translates from Spanish as "of saint" or "the saint". That basically means that Michael De Santa is Michael the Saint.

Michael Keane's nickname was Saint Michael.

Take a minute to take that in.

But even more so, Grand Theft Auto V is the first game in the GTA series to feature more than one bank heist. Saint Michael was killed in a bank heist.


They have both robbed a bank.

Niklawski (talk) 19:54, September 18, 2013 (UTC)

Impossibru! Keane was in his late 20s in death, Miohael is in his mid 40s during 2013 (only 5 years after IV). -- ILan (XDEditsHome ) 19:58, September 18, 2013 (UTC)
Also, Keane was Irish-American; Michael is Canadian (yeah! Deal with that, Americans!) -- ILan (XDEditsHome ) 20:03, September 18, 2013 (UTC)
ILan, Michael is American. Trevor is the Canadian protagonist. I agree that it's cool to have a Canadian protagonist for once, but at least admit that not them all are. Michael = American, Trevor = Canadian, Franklin = African-American
       You know what's funny? read the article about Dr. Friedlander's death ingame website, "Mikey De Santos" LOL. Hamodey1 (talk) 21:22, November 10, 2013 (UTC)
Actually, if you hired McReary for the roof approach for the FIB heist, you can hear him saying: "My pal Michael, rest his soul too", which hints to Michael Keane being shot at the Liberty City Bank. SimsPlayer (talk) (mistakes) 16:51, October 27, 2015 (UTC)


WTF?! Why is this page and the other ones like Trevor Philips still locked? I'd figured it would have been open by now, considering that the game just came out three days ago. -- Painkill (talk) 04:40, September 20, 2013 (UTC)

The reason the pages are locked is to prevent garbage edits and vandalism. If it isn't already done I'll lower protection from admins only to registered users only, but if we start having problem edits on the article the protection goes back. Half a decade after GTA4 was released Niko Bellic's article is still a constant problem. Jeff (talk|stalk) 15:31, September 20, 2013 (UTC)

Date of birth

As seen on his fake tombstone in the opening, Michael's date of birth is 1965, making him 48 years old. Can anyone edit the page while it's locked? Ryder 2012 (talk) 14:18, September 20, 2013 (UTC)

Acutally he is 45 as mentioned by Trevor in Nervous ron

I think that's an estimate. You can go between an insane man saying that is his approximate age, or his actual tombstone. I think the tombstone is more accurate. Ryder 2012 (talk) 17:04, September 20, 2013 (UTC)

I Agree. His friends and family attented his funeral. A wrong date of birth on his tombstone would make no sense. Aegirsson (talk) 12:19, September 23, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing this out, I was going to do it earlier this year, then I got lazy, but it was actually mentioned 1 year ago, so no need to worry. :D

-aarondude5 12/11/14 4:27 P.M.: (EST) USA

Possible Death

He could be killed by Franklin in 2013 ---- User:CriminalRating 17:42 20 September 2013 

I added that but someone removed it.. I don't know why, Kastrenzo (talk) 05:06, September 21, 2013 (UTC)

Place of birth

Source on it being on the east coast? The most likely location, to me, seems to be the midwest. Joetheiceman (talk) 21:09, September 22, 2013 (UTC)

His first job was in Carcer City (a fictionnal East Coast city). I think his birthdate (1965) is much more certain than is place of birth. Actually, I really think Michael Townley could be from Carcer (growing up in harsh condition, etc) and not the Midwest. Aegirsson (talk) 13:04, October 3, 2013 (UTC)

SPOILERS!!!!.......Michael's 'death'

So I chose option C and had Franklin, Michael & Trevor take on Merryweather. None of them dyed. Michael went back to his family, Franklin went back to the hood and Trevor went back to Trevor Phillips Industires. Why is Michae'ls death even there? One, its a spoiler of sorts, and two, depending on what one you chose he dosen't even die in two options >.< (Harlan1500 (talk) 01:17, September 24, 2013 (UTC))

If only the article had some kind of spoiler warning. Oh wait... Killing Michael is an option, it isn't compulsory - as you know - however it is an option. Therefore it needs to be included in the article. As you should be able to see his death is listed as "player's choice", I don't see an issue with that. Tom Talk 01:24, September 24, 2013 (UTC)
Almost makes me wonder if his death is canonical with the story since "Sleepwalking" by The Chain Gang of 1974 plays with this version of the end credits. But let's hope not. Besides I'm sure R* wanted us to utilize a degree of more sandbox freedom in that regard. --Christengo (talk) 22:12, September 29, 2013 (UTC)


Can anyone provide a clear image of his gravestone which shows his date of birth? Tom Talk 00:40, September 29, 2013 (UTC)

Michael Townley 1965-2004
Here is Michael's gravestone. Clearly "1965-2004" on the gravestone. --Ifans (talk) 01:57, August 16, 2014 (UTC)


  • Michael is born in 1968 ! Jimmy mentions that he is just a 45 years old drunk.
  • During Bury the Hatchet you can see 1968 - 2004 written on his tomb stone.
When does he say that? And I'm going to need a screenshot of the gravestone because most people are saying that it has 1965 written on it. Tom Talk 18:10, September 30, 2013 (UTC)
Trevor's memorial tattoo says 1965 to 2004 so Rockstar has his age at either 45 or 48.Wrath425 (talk) 23:47, September 30, 2013 (UTC)
His gravestone in Bury the Hatchet says 1965 - 2004 here's a screenshot [1] --MOB-4-Life (talk) 14:20, October 2, 2013 (UTC)
Trevor tells Wade that Michael is 45 but that could just be an estimate. --BlackBaton (talk) 14:23, October 2, 2013 (UTC)

His date of birth is staying as 1960s. We don't know which is true, it's likely a developer oversight. So if everyone could stop changing his date of birth, that would be fantastic. Tom Talk 14:26, October 2, 2013 (UTC)

His gravestone is somewhat more solid as evidence than word of mouth, although it is still up for debate. Perhaps mid-late 1960s would be better? We know he was either born in 1965 or 1968, 1960s is a bit too general. --MOB-4-Life (talk) 14:33, October 2, 2013 (UTC)
I know that I'm jumping in pretty late, but can't we at least put mid-to-late 1960s for a more direct description. --Painkill (talk) 02:06, October 3, 2013 (UTC)
Is it me or does it appear that Micheal may have scoliosis. The way he walks with his shoulders foward is a sign of scoliosis. vulix14 (talk) 05:14, October 5, 2013 (UTC)vulix14
Lets just put it at 1965/1968. You see, with Gay Tony, the LCPD claims he's 50, but he says that he's 45, so they put in 1958/1963. Here with Michael, we have the same case. DrewieStewie 16:48, September 7, 2014 (UTC)
I doubt the family would let a grave stone indicate the wrong date. Far more likely that Jimmy and Trevor aren't sure of his age or are bad at math. IanBrettCooper (talk) 18:47, September 19, 2018 (UTC)

Ingame Photo?

Since the game is out, I figured we use ingame photos for Michael, Trevor and Franklin. Instead of their artwork. Unless we change everyone's photos to their concept art (for the charachters that have concept art)

TheTechPoTaToCHIP (talk) 19:23, October 10, 2013 (UTC)

Change Michaels quote?

Hey guys. Don't post here much, just wanted to say that maybe we should change Michaels quote at the top of his page to this one. It sounds better, IMO. It was said during Ending A btw.

"Survival is winning Franklin, Everything else is bullshit. Fairytales, spun by people afraid to look life in the eye Whatever it takes, kid. Survive."

Content update. I just fixed a massive amount of grammatical errors in the "personality" section.

I think the overall style of the character quotes on this wiki is more personality describing than deep. Bit of a shame, really, since you can read all about the character in question further down the page. :/ Getalanoar (talk) 00:03, June 25, 2014 (UTC)


Other than those currently listed (05/13) his other names are

- Sugar Tits (Trevor, Steve Haines)

- D-Unit (Jimmy)

- Mr. Suxx (Tracey's stalker)

- Mr. De Santo (Ahron Ward)


Where was it confirmed Michael and Trevor met in 1993? The dialogue in Pack Man explains their meeting but doesn't give 1993 as the year?1sonnyforelli (talk) 03:34, July 21, 2014 (UTC)

You are correct. Snugeez (talk) 05:37, July 22, 2014 (UTC)

If you let Michael Franklin and Trevor hang out together, Trevor states that he's known Michael for 20+ years. Painkill (talk) 01:45, August 1, 2014 (UTC) 

About Michael's Age

Guys, I was just checking the Gay Tony page and I noticed that in his date of birth, there is two different years: 1958/1963, because the LCPD says that his age is 50, while Gay Tony says that his age is 45.

Here, in Michael's case, we have a similar situation: his grave says that he is 48, while Michael and all the other characters say that he is 45. So why don't we do like the Gay Tony page and just put the two years? 1965/1968. There, we finally don't need to worry anymore about people changing his age all the time. What do you guys think? 558050 Talk 23:24 22 July, 2014 (UTC)


How can I add to his infobox? I am not sure how it is not like normal infoboxes. Matt Seay (talk) 16:16, September 18, 2014 (UTC)

Click on the box then edit. What would you like to add ? RainingPain17 (talk) 16:20, September 18, 2014 (UTC)

The buisess that only Micheal can buy. Matt Seay (talk) 16:23, September 18, 2014 (UTC)

Well that's simple. Do as I said above, then go to the Business field and add all you want. Don't forget the codes : <.br> and <.small> <./small> (without the points)

Alright, I will get on it. Although I do not see an edit button on the infobox. When I click edit all I see is "[[/Infobox}}" Matt Seay (talk) 16:30, September 18, 2014 (UTC)

Make sure you picked the visual editor. When you click on his infobox, there should be a small grey rectangle with "Edit" written. Click on this small box and you'll have the access to a infobox edit tool. RainingPain17 (talk) 16:39, September 18, 2014 (UTC)

Okay thanks. I am still getting used to the visual editor stuff. I am used to the older way of editing. But there doesn't seem to be a visual editor option. Matt Seay (talk) 16:50, September 18, 2014 (UTC)

Visual Editor

The visiual editor is not working. It woun't let me edit the infobox. Matt Seay (talk) 19:10, September 24, 2014 (UTC)

His infobox is on a separate page and cannot be edited by normal users, only admins and bureaucrats. RainingPain17 (talk) 19:13, September 24, 2014 (UTC)
Right, well if anyone who can edit it please add the Michael only properties to the buisnesses section. Matt Seay (talk) 19:21, September 24, 2014 (UTC)

Birth Year-

I couldn't figure out how, but could someone change his DOB to 1965? I was snooping around in the mission "Bury The Hatchet", and I found that his tombstone was marked 1965-2004, so if someone could update this information that would be great.

11:23 P.M. EST 10/12/14 aarondude5

COMMUNITY VOTE: Michaels age put in as 1965/1968 or Mid-Late 1960s?

Ok, so I have a proposal. A vote. There has been a huge dispute on Michaels age since the release of GTA V. Wether it's 1965 or 1968. The current solution is Mid-Late 1960s. I disagree with that. 1:Mid-to-late 60s isn't specific enough. 2: On Gay Tony's page, it says 1958/1963. I think it should be the same. So lets vote. 

DrewieStewie 23:53, November 23, 2014 (UTC)


Note: Active POLL Removed and replaced with screenshot of last vote count on January 22nd 2015.

MichaelDeSanta Age Poll Freeze


  • Should we update the page with the result of the vote? ----007a83 (Talk|Contribs) 04:17, January 22, 2015 (UTC)
  • Unfortunately, as I have learned the hard way, Wikia's poll function wasn't the best way to conduct this vote as it is easily "rigged" anonymously. We did respond to the vote and update the article after 2 -3 days of voting (hopefully before it had the opportunity to be vandalised) and the article was changed from mid-late 60's (which got 0 votes) to 1965/1968 which got about 16. At the time, 1965 only had about 5 and 1968 had about 2. The current result (0:22:59:9) is unfortunately not reliable.  smurfy (coms) 04:36, January 22, 2015 (UTC)

Michael and all 3 characters heights inaccurate, if not, wheres the source?

In real life there about 5 inches tall (on my tv at least), but in the game world they should be to scale. And this website has trevor at 6'1 michael 6'2 and franklin 6'0. Since when and where does michael appear to be taller then trevor? And looking at the characters in cutscenes and compared to other objects in the game, there is no way any of them are much over 6'0 or very near that height. if michael is 6'2 (the tallest of them) that would make agent haines like 6'6 if you look at them standing up in his first cutscene appearance.  i would guess michael 5'10, franklin 5'8-5'9, and trevor about 6'0. I seen a website with michael at 6'5, hahaha, if youre going to limit who can edit the page, dont limit it to 10 year old children. thanks. Or dont put inaccurate information. 

Majorhawke (talk) 18:22, April 6, 2015 (UTC)

So... Why does it need to be accurate? Signature (talk/stalk/blog) 18:37, April 6, 2015 (UTC)
Michael and Trevor use fake IDs in the subtle approach, to get in to the Union Depository which have their heights on them - if their IDs were inaccurate about their height, they would have been blocked from entering. Franklin is scanned by Omega and identified as 6 feet tall. All three heights are verified by in-game factual evidence. No guesses involved. smurfy (coms) 20:26, April 6, 2015 (UTC)
It has to be accurate because otherwise youre making up bullshit, its like guessing on their birthdate. if you dont know the answer for something, dont put anything at all. And people fake their height on ID's all the time in real life. But ill check for the sources. Its not a big deal, i just dont see the point of putting fake heights on, but since you told me this i will look into it. 
Majorhawke (talk) 00:48, April 8, 2015 (UTC)
The proof is right there on their pages:
"And people fake their height on ID's all the time in real life"
— you
No, people fake their age on fake IDs. Not fake their height.
I say again, if the heights were wrong on the IDs, they would not have got past the ID check.
Case closed, go troll someplace else. smurfy (coms) 01:02, April 8, 2015 (UTC)
Considering they have fake names on there, i doubt they were measured right when they got them (whoever made them for them probably guessed), yes, considering it is a video game, it wouldnt make sense for rockstar to fabricate false heights (since they are the real creators of the ID's), but that could easily happen in real life as people are insecure about their height. And people do fake their heights on their ID's and driver licenses in real life. You must not be old enough to have one :P but im not trolling, and look at michael and trevor next to eachother in the game, you can visibly see trevor is taller, im going to say either rockstar pulled some heights out of their ass, or just like their names are wrong on the ID's, their height and weight is as well. Majorhawke (talk) 10:19, April 8, 2015 (UTC)
The IDs were made by Lester Crest, an assosciate of theirs, so he would have a rough idea of their builds. As Sean (who is 45, since you ask, so would be old enough to have a driver's license) stated, if the heights on their IDs were false it would have been highlighted during their security check and they would have been denied access. As he also said, most people fake their ages on IDs, not their heights (especially since in some countries, like the UK, a person's height isn't listed on their ID). SJWalker (talk) 10:32, April 8, 2015 (UTC)
Fact 1: Since you want to get personal, as far as I know, I'm the 2nd oldest currently active editor on GTA Wiki - check my profile, my YOB is accurate. I am actually Trevor and Michael's age.
Fact 2: These are not drivers licences, they are Security Access IDs which have very short lifespans (check the expiry dates - that is day and month not month and year). I have had to get security IDs for my job to allow access to sensitive communications infrastructure that must be renewed annually with accurate height and weight info and new photos.
Fact 3: The information on these IDs would have to accurately match the person holding them for them to be granted access.
Name - these obviously have to be fake, that's the point of a fake ID.
Eye colour - easily faked with contacts.
Height and weight, not so easily faked (sure they could wear rubber fat suits and lifts in their shoes but there is no evidence to support this was the case).
Fact 4: Michael was a high school football player, he's not going to be a smaller than average guy. 
Fact 5: Michael stands and walks with a noticeable stoop - due to Ned Luke's real life condition being motion captured. Trevor stands upright. It's quite reasonable that Michael is going to appear shorter.
Need more?  smurfy (coms) 10:49, April 8, 2015 (UTC)
There was nothing personal about what ive said so far. I made a joke questioning if you were old enough to have a drivers license or ID, i never claimed that you are a certain age. I dont know who you are, never pretended to, or ever visited your page before. And i never said Michael was a smaller then average guy, in Murica where i live, average is 5'9 for a male, i guessed he was about 5'10-5'11. Theres plenty of high school football players within that height. And ive noticed michael stoops a little bit, but hes stood upright in plenty of cutscenes and i still didnt see michael as being taller then trevor. Trevor's real life voice actor looks similar to himself in the game, and he is also the tallest of the 3, i wouldnt doubt them making him the tallest in the game of the characters as well, and theres no way Michael is any taller then Trevor based on seeing them next to each other, same height maybe. Ive seen trevor listed as 6'0 1/4, to 6'1 and michael listed as 6'2-6'5 which is insane. Alot of people in the game tower over michael (person that comes to mind is Agent Haines), and I just dont see how michael can be taller then Trevor. I think youve made some decent claims, and appreciate the effort you made to get the pictures of their ID's for the sake of me looking stupid, but visibly looking at the characters, i dont see how they are as tall as they are listed at this site. Niko is listed as 5'11 and i cant imagine Franklin being an inch taller then him. But i realize since the only evidence you have of their heights is based off the fake ID's, it makes sense to use those instead of visual observations, but i still think theyre inaccurate.
Majorhawke (talk) 22:17, April 8, 2015 (UTC) 
"...and appreciate the effort you made to get the pictures of their ID's for the sake of me looking stupid..."
— you
The ID pictures have been on their pages for at least a month. Long before you decided to make yourself look stupid. This discussion is over. The information is based on facts presented in the game. The End. smurfy (coms) 23:35, April 8, 2015 (UTC)

                                   Im aware of that, im saying you added them to this talkpage for that purpose, i never said you took the pics and just uploaded them, i seen them before you even posted them to this talk section when i was researching it. Anyways, i rest my case. 

Majorhawke (talk) 00:33, April 9, 2015 (UTC)

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