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Rename Grand Theft Auto "1" page
I came here to propose that we rename the "Grand Theft Auto 1" page to either "Grand Theft Auto (game)" or "Grand Theft Auto (1997 game)" for the following reasons:
- "Grand Theft Auto 1" is not an official name.
- Rockstar never referred to GTA as "GTA 1", not even on the official GTA series website. They usually call it "the first GTA", "the classic GTA" or the "original GTA".
- It is way better to just write "the first Grand Theft Auto game" or "classic Grand Theft Auto" instead of "Grand Theft Auto 1".
- While using it in an article context is sort of fine (because it's the first in sequence), it still looks out of place. On the other hand, the "1" should absolutely not be in the article's title because it's not in the game's title. (By the way, since smurfy used Grand Theft Auto Advance as an example of why we already use unofficial titles for easy differentiation - "Advance" is actually an official title, since it was used in the start menu, website and official trailers of the game).
I personally think it's better to use "(1997 game)" in the title, as we can use this pattern when the next GTA Online is released ("Grand Theft Auto Online (202X game)").
kamikatsu_ Talk 09:23, April 5, 2020 (UTC)
- Yes - SlashM,C 12:25, April 5, 2020 (UTC)
- Yes - Matrexpingvin (talk) 12:43, April 5, 2020 (UTC)
- Yes - DocVinewood (talk) 12:58, April 5, 2020 (UTC)
- Yes - S-424 (talk) 13:09, April 5, 2020 (UTC)
- Yes - User:Raziel Reaper (Talk To Me • Edits ) 13:21, April 5, 2020 (UTC)
- Yes* - Smurfy: illuminate - communicate - spectate 02:12, April 6, 2020 (UTC)
- Yes - BolbiiS (talk) 2:21, April 6, 2020 (UTC)
- Voting yes as this is significantly different to your original Discord proposal to rename it to "Grand Theft Auto" and to rename the existing Grand Theft Auto page to "Grand Theft Auto Series" or similar. When you see "Grand Theft Auto" in the public domain, it is generally referring to the series, not the first game. This wiki is called "gtawiki" not "gtaserieswiki" because "GTA" automatically refers to the series, not just the first game. While I don't really think this is necessary (since, when the wiki was first written, it was named thus and has worked fine, without any ambiguity, for the past 15+ years). For what it's worth, "Grand Theft Auto 1" is still a valid descriptor, for exactly the reason as originally laid out by the founding wiki authors. No game publisher names their first game with a "1" on the end, since that is the epitome of arrogance and marketing suicide, but that doesn't change the fact that any game that is the first in what turns out to be a significant series that shares the same title, does become generally known as "Title 1". While it is true R* don't use it, respectable sites other than gtawiki and grandtheftwiki do. e.g. Google search returns 202,000 (non-wiki) results for "Grand Theft Auto 1", including:
- And that was just the "respectable" sites on the first couple of pages. So, given the ubiquity and validity of the Grand Theft Auto 1 name, a redirect from there to whatever new page name is decided should remain in place. Smurfy: illuminate - communicate - spectate 02:12, April 6, 2020 (UTC)
"Tips and Tricks" Wholesale Removal
It has come to my attention that many articles, particularly missions in 3D Universe titles (and to a lesser extent GTA IV and GTA V), seem to have an abundance of "tips and tricks" listed under their own section heading.
Nothing in the current Manual of Style for Missions allows for this, nor has there ever been provision to allow for this.
This is a wiki, documenting what is in the games. We are not here to provide advice to the reader on how to play. Some leeway has been allowed under the "100% Objectives" or "Gold Medal Objectives" sections to provide some advice towards achieving those particular targets, but they are generally not wholesale "how to play the whole mission" tips.
I suggest we clearly state in the MoS under "What to avoid" that these dedicated "tips" sections are prohibited by policy and all editors should be encouraged to remove them whenever they are found. Smurfy: illuminate - communicate - spectate 03:10, January 26, 2020 (UTC)
- Yes - SlashM,C 10:07, January 26, 2020 (UTC)
- Yes Matrexpingvin (talk) 11:29, January 26, 2020 (UTC)
- Yes - 12:52, January 26, 2020 (UTC)
- Yes - Sam Talk 15:45, January 26, 2020 (UTC)
- Self-explanatory. There are possibly many, many ways one can achieve during missions, but listing all of them is kinda pointless and confusing. Of course, "Gold Medal Objectives" are an exception, as long as they don't fall into a "how to play" description. -- 12:52, January 26, 2020 (UTC)
- I'm probably the one who's guilty of adding most of the tips and tricks sections to the game when I switched mission pages from first-person walkthroughs to third-person descriptions as a sort of "trade off". I'm happy for them to be removed as this should be a documentation of the game rather than a how to play. Gold medal objectives should be an exception though. Sam Talk 15:45, January 26, 2020 (UTC)