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Demotion - Sasquatch101
Sasquatch posted a request to increase the admin limited months ago, it failed. After an issue with a vandal he took it upon himself to ignore the outcome of that vote and post a request for promotion - which I took down. He responded with this. I ignored the blatant incivility and tried to emphasise with how he was feeling. He then drew the conclusion that I was attacking him and that I hated him and wanted to be the almighty ruler of this Wiki by oppressing him and his fellow patrollers.

He then posted a request to increase the admin limit again. Now, this is and always should be a b'crat only vote. Not because your opinions aren't wanted, because patrollers especially may have a vested interest - Sasquatch certainly did - among other things. I initially let the vote slide, thinking I'd try finding some middle ground, after giving my opinion on the matter, Sasquatch lost it again. Believing I was attacking him because I'd stated my opinion about his request for promotion. I tried to clarify, and not react, but he was blinded by his hatred of me and my 'oppressing ways' and wasn't having it. At this point I issued him a warning - as I would with any user.

After a brief conversation with Jeff, he made me realise that I shouldn't be allowing the vote. So I removed it. This prompted Sasquatch to react with this. He was asked by some patrollers to calm down and told that he was out of line, to which he responded with this and this.

I should note that I had stated that I was willing to add another admin, but not just based on when he says he'll be active. He has to be qualified. So his claim that I removed it based on the fact it was going to pass is wrong.

I issued him with a block, in the mean time we need to decide if we can really allow this. I for one think he should be demoted, he broke numerous policies which I'll go on to state, he showed a complete lack of self control and I really don't think he can come back from this. I certainly won't close the door entirely, if he redeems himself then great, but for now at least, he can't remain a staff member.

As already stated, he broke the Civility policy numerous times. He also failed to Assume Good Faith, and his request for promotion and for the the admin limit to be increased was a breach of our No Shrines for Vandals policy.

I get that he's friends with some of you, but he's had chances, we can't allow a staff member to do this. He can come back as a normal user when his block expires.

If you have any issues with how I dealt with it, then feel free to ask me anything.

On a side note, Jeff and Wikia are working on a filter which should block vandals automatically. So an admin in every timezone won't be necessary.

Tom Talk

Votes

 * Yes - Tom Talk 22:14, May 3, 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes - Carl Johnson Jr. (talk) 22:19, May 3, 2014 (UTC)
 * Triple Yes Cloudkit01 (talk) 22:27, May 3, 2014 (UTC)
 * No - Boomer8 (talk) 00:08, May 4, 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes - Smashbro8
 * Yes - Jeff (talk·stalk)
 * Support --Tony1998  (Talker * Blogger *  Stalker) -- 00:51, May 4, 2014 (UTC)

Comments

 * To be frank, I feel that Sasquatch had good intentions, but he acted poorly onto them. After taking a good look at his behaviour, I've come to the conclusion that he is not fit for his role as Patroller. He has had a few instances in the past with rule-breaking. And now, this is just another one of them. Sasquatch's constant incivility and rudeness does not set a good example for other editors on this good wiki. That's just my two cents on this issue. Carl Johnson Jr. (talk) 22:19, May 3, 2014 (UTC)
 * After he latch out on me for telling him knock it off with the bitching and complaining about everything and gets us to vote yes for his request, which I never voted him a no or a yes on any of his request because I'm ain't gonna waste my time on something ridiculous of his, I hope he better be civil next time as a new user until then. (my opinion on this)  Cloudkit01 (talk) 22:38, May 3, 2014 (UTC)
 * This is absolutely outrageous! First of all, I believe it is completely unfair when a bureaucrat decides to delete a request for promotion or a community vote because they don't like the way the votes are swaying. GTA Wiki is based on democracy; thats why we have a  community noticeboard. No user is any better than the other; that is something some users should come to understand. Even though Sasquatch broke a couple rules, he is still a great patroller, and bureaucrat as I've seen on the GTA Myths Wiki. He was even here when that vandal came along; and now you want to demote him less than a week later? Even though he broke some rules (what I can completely relate to) that doesn't mean some other users hands are completely clean. I read the message Cloudkit left him and that was certainly uncivil. When you call someone a bitch, you better get ready to hear something not too kind comming back. So with all of this in mind, Sasquatch certainly doesn't deserve to be demoted because one user doesn't like his attitude. (wouldn't you be pisseded off if someone just deleted your community suggestion? I certainly would.)  Boomer8 (talk) 00:08, May 4, 2014 (UTC)


 * I removed his request from promotion because there isn't a vacancy, a fact he was well aware of. I removed his community vote because it isn't a community decision. The fact he helped out with a vandal doesn't undo the things he's done since. Cloud didn't call him a bitch by the way, don't misquote him. Tom Talk 00:22, May 4, 2014 (UTC)


 * The bureaucratic rule that there can only be five admins is stupid because that vandal attacking proved it. And that was a community decision. It was very fit to be one, but if it really wasn't you should of taken it down immediately; not days later. Boomer8 (talk) 00:36, May 4, 2014 (UTC)


 * Seriously now, watch your tone. I've said this again and again, if there was an admin active at the time, they'd only of been able to stop the user for a minute while they made a new account. Reporting it to Wikia is what an admin would end up doing anyway. We're working on a better fix. Tom Talk 00:39, May 4, 2014 (UTC)


 * "Seriously now, watch you tone." Don't talk condescending to me. If an admin was active at that time and was blocking the vandal's accounts, he wouldn't have been able to upload that many images. And stop being so technical Tom. What Cloudkit wrote was completely uncivil and was meant to taunt Sasquatch. Boomer8 (talk) 00:46, May 4, 2014 (UTC)


 * Look, you really do need to watch how you speak to me or other users, you're on about your fourth warning now. He wasn't taunting him, he was telling him to stop talking to me the way he was. His language may not be ideal but he's not the one who's been warned about it numerous times, and Sasquatch's reaction was out of proportion. Tom Talk 00:51, May 4, 2014 (UTC)


 * This is a hard decision since me and Sasquatch101 are really close. However, even though I disagreed with the removal of Sasquatch's requests for adminship and community portal request for another admin spot, Sasquatch had no right to talk to The Tom like that. I disagree with a few things that The Tom does, but I will never curse him out like that and disrespect him like Sasquatch did. Any user who disrespects a staff member should be put in their place. If Sasquatch has been warned several times, I can't back him up anymore. [[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt1.png|90px|link=User:Smashbro8|Smashbro8]] ([[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt2.png|50px|link=User talk:Smashbro8|Talk]]) 00:11, May 4, 2014 (UTC)Smashbro8
 * And now this. Tom Talk 00:23, May 4, 2014 (UTC)
 * Yea Sasquatch is right with his beliefs about the vandal and how it should be stopped but calling The Tom a "bitchy frat boy" is way out of line. That's like me calling my mom that and expecting not to get slapped. [[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt1.png|90px|link=User:Smashbro8|Smashbro8]] ([[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt2.png|50px|link=User talk:Smashbro8|Talk]]) 00:30, May 4, 2014 (UTC)Smashbro8
 * He wasn't right. An admin will only stop a vandal for a few minutes while they make a new account. We're working on a better fix, but having an admin from a certain timezone who is slightly more likely to see the vandal is not a fix - as I've said, he'd be just as helpless. Tom Talk 00:34, May 4, 2014 (UTC)
 * True @ The Tom. I disagree with both Cloudkit's and Sasquatch's cursing one another out because real staff members don't do that. We were assigned to work together and we shouldn't be calling each other out like that. Cursing at one another just causes more strife. [[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt1.png|90px|link=User:Smashbro8|Smashbro8]] ([[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt2.png|50px|link=User talk:Smashbro8|Talk]]) 00:39, May 4, 2014 (UTC)Smashbro8
 * I was going to write about how I regretted having to vote against Sasquatch. Then I read this. I'm not feeling regretful anymore. Jeff (talk·stalk) 00:40, May 4, 2014 (UTC)
 * These are hard times. After reading that message, it's clear that Sasquatch's attitude will make him unqualified for his position. Not only does he become uncivil, he also attempted to talk behind the staff's backs. I agree with Smashbro in which staff shouldn't swear at each other. Also, Cloudkit should remain calm. Carl Johnson Jr. (talk) 00:45, May 4, 2014 (UTC)
 * Sasquatch and I are somewhat close as well. However, he did not take this rationally after we told him the reason why his idea has its ups and downs and after all of that tirade he spewed on Tom and the rest of the patrollers, including myself, I strongly feel he does not have the right to be a patroller, nor does he have the admin potentials, anymore. --Tony1998  (Talker  * Blogger *  Stalker) -- 00:51, May 4, 2014 (UTC)
 * He's still ranting and speaking abusively on GTA Myths Wiki . Such great conduct for an administrator-hopeful. My current opinion is that his block should be made permanent, and that links to GTA Myths Wiki from GTA Wiki should be removed. Jeff (talk·stalk) 01:06, May 4, 2014 (UTC)
 * Why can't we stop? Why can't we all stop?  Damn!--Tony1998  (Talker  * Blogger *  Stalker) -- 01:11, May 4, 2014 (UTC)
 * Continuing this seems redundant now, he's gone for good so his patroller rights are gone too. What does he mean by frat boy? I literally have no idea what he's trying to imply. Tom Talk 01:14, May 4, 2014 (UTC)

New bureaucrat and administrator
I have decided to step down as a bureaucrat. Having discussed this with the other two bureaucrats (Messi1983 and The Tom), we've decided to forgo a formal election and make the following promotions.


 * Ilan xd is promoted to bureaucrat due to being the most senior non-bureaucrat administrator and unanimous agreement among bureaucrats.
 * Dodo8 is promoted to administrator - he received 100% 'yes' votes in the January 2014 Administrator Election, and that indicates that the community trusts him to be an administrator.

Jeff (talk·stalk) 22:28, April 2, 2014 (UTC)

Image sources remind
Between the 4th and the 28th February, I'll work in a project, with its goal to rename and add the license templates to several images here to keep the Wiki better organized and with copyrighted images. And just to remind, I'm asking all users something. If you are editing a page on source mode and you see images violating the image policy, don't erase it. They might serve as a redirect to several images I renamed or I'll rename. To be sure if the image follows the image policy or not, exit the editing mode and click on the image. If the image doesn't follow the image policy, rename it if you want (if you possess administrator/bureaucrat rights) to help me. Thanks for understanding. --Thomas0802 • (talk • edits) 18:55, February 6, 2014 (UTC)

GTA 1 & 2 Cleanup
I noticed that the GTA 1 and GTA 2 missions pages are very small and/or require a lot of cleanup. I would try my best to clean them up and add to them myself, but I know next to nothing about those games since I haven't played them since 2004ish. Is there anyone who knows about these games enough and that is willing to add to them? LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 17:13, February 5, 2014 (UTC)

Comments

 * I'll take care of GTA 1 when I'm done with renaming images. --Thomas0802 • (talk • edits) 19:45, February 5, 2014 (UTC)

Administrator elections
Anyone who is interested in participating, please go to GTA Wiki:Requests for Promotion/Jan 2014 Administrator Election and vote. It's going to be open for a week (at least) regardless so feel free to take some time thinking about it first. Jeff (talk|stalk) 21:43, January 10, 2014 (UTC)


 * Per the Election results, the new administrator is User:Thomas0802. Jeff (talk|stalk) 15:42, January 17, 2014 (UTC)