Talk:North Holland Hustlers

Playboy X and Dwayne Forge aren't members of North Holland Hustlers
Yes, they are not and I can't understand why people thought they are in the first place. I already mentioned this matter in my big announcement for editors of GTA Wikia here, and I want to repeat, that the situation with black gangs in Liberty City is remain very unclear in this Wikia.

Playboy X and Dwayne Forge weren't mentioned by Police Database as the members of North Holland Hustlers. Jayvon Simson and Marlon Bridges were, but they're both enemies of Playboy X and Dwayne Forge. It's even safe to say, that the whole North Holland Hustlers crew is the big rival of Playboy X, not his gang and not even his ally. That's why he has ordered the hit on Marlon Bridges, because of rivalry and competition. It's even mentioned in police record on Marlon, when he's called too ambitious.

Another important point, is that not every black criminal in North Holland is member of North Holland Hustlers. As the name imples, it's just outlaw business group, not the large crime syndicate. There are a lot of different independent black gangs and crews in Liberty City, as I already said here.

North Holland Hustlers are probably even smaller then East Holland Drug Gang. We don't know anything about their numbers, except two known members.

I don't want to start the edit war, so let's discuss this new information first. I'll be very glad to hear all opinions, facts and arguments.

Thank you al in advance, your Orto Dogge (talk) 17:12, March 4, 2014 (UTC)


 * Where is PROOF that Playboy X and Dwayne are NOT members of the North Holland Hustlers? Most of what you wrote just seems like speculation. Just because Playboy X and Dwayne LCPD database doesn't say "North Holland Huster" is not significant proof that they are not members of the gang. Dwayne is part of the gang, because Jayvon Simson(a member) ratted him out. That's one of the reasons Dwayne Forge ordered the hit on him. And do you have proof that the black gangs in North Holland are a collection of different gangs?  -Strangle hold


 * Playboy is clearly affiliated with them in The Holland Play and Dwayne can send Niko Hustlers as backup. Case closed. Leo68 (talk) 17:54, May 9, 2015 (UTC)


 * @Leo68
 * Agreed! And like I said Jayvon Simsons ratted out Dwayne. They were apart of the SAME gang. All this talk about Playboy X not being part of the NHH and the NHH being small time is mere speculation. Someone should re-edit this page back to how it was.  If Dwayne is a member, then so is Playboy X. Its just common sense. ~Strangle hold
 * I could have sworn the game says "The North Holland Hustlers can't come to this position" or something when Dwayne's backup can't get to you. It'd make no sense if they weren't part of the gang, yet can order them as backup.  http://images.wikia.com/central/images/8/87/Sgt_D_Grif.gif   08:56, June 28, 2015 (UTC)


 * I'm just now seeing this post. I know it is an old post but where did you see this? I have to play GTA IV again. But what position specifically? Because I plan on testing it out. Mobsta 14:24, March 31, 2020 (UTC)

Dwayne Forge and Jayvon Simsons were a part of the SAME crew
Yes, this whole article needs to be re-edited. I have seen zero proof that Dwayne Forge or Playboy X are not apart of this organization. Just because the police database does not mention them as part of the group is not enough evidence. Like someone said Jayvon Simsons ratted out Dwayne which means they were obviously apart of the same crew. Heck in Jayvon's own article it states that they were apart of the same crew. Jayvon Simson

So which is it? During the Ruff Ryder mission Dwayne clearly states that Jayvon "played em" and hints that the two use to work together. I mean how else could he have become an informant to get close to Dwayne? All this points to Dwayne being the real leader of the North Holland Hustlers. Mobsta 19:49, March 30, 2020 (UTC)
 * @Strangle hold, 1stly, please sign ( ~ ) and indent your talk page messages - this page was a jumbled mess thanks to your posts. Talk page guidelines are found here and are official wiki policy.
 * 2ndly, the infobox already correctly names Dwayne and PlayboyX as leaders, so we have already acknowledged the nonsense of Orto Dogge's original post here. They clearly ARE NHHustlers and the clearest evidence is Dwayne's backup, which I can confirm are named Hustlers in the game. I will gather some reference material from in-game and update the rest of the page content with cited references to avoid argument. Smurfy: illuminate - communicate - spectate 00:43, April 1, 2020 (UTC)


 * @Smurfy First off I apologize if I made this page a jumbled mess. I took a YEARS hiatus from wikia and forgot how the system works. So again I apologize. But yes, this is something I always had issues with as GTA IV gangs is something I always paid attention to and I never heard of Dwayne or Playboy X NOT being leaders of the North Holland Hustlers nor that gang being "small time" if anything they are more like a drug criminal organization but that's just my opinion. But yes I do remember the game referring to Dwayne's backup as North Holland Hustlers. Anyways, I can not wait for your references. Thank you. Mobsta 09:38, April 1, 2020 (UTC)