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Request for demotion: Chimpso (Administrator)
User:Chimpso (Contribs) (Logs)

This user is one of the many administrators who abandoned this wiki to go post on the other GTA Wiki. Despite this, he somehow retained his sysop rights, and continues to occasionally use the tools to promote the other GTA Wiki. Therefore, I feel he should be relieved of the tools, and am submitting this to a community vote. McJeff (talk this way)/(stalk this way) 06:55, June 27, 2011 (UTC)

Votes

 * Support as proposer. McJeff (talk this way)/(stalk this way) 06:55, June 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Support Crescendospectredragon 09:24, June 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Tom Talk 10:27, June 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Undecided - Bunnyjoke 16:20, June 27, 2011 (UTC)

Discussion
I have done nothing wrong. Nothing to violate the rules of this wiki or Wikia. There is no reason to demote an experienced, long time admin of this site for no reason. My "adevertising" never degraded this wiki in any way, shape or form. I simply pointed out the obvious change in the skin and in every case I clearly said that the choice to move or stay was entirely up to the user and we were not forcing anything on anyone. I find it disrespectful and a breach of Wikia's rules and policy that you (WikisEditor and McJeff) have deleted former staff members pages, which you even done without a logical reason. When did I use my tools to degrade this wiki? My "promotion" was a bid to help confused users who came back to a whole different wiki. It was placed in my blog space. Not in the main space, not in talk pages, in my blog, where I should be allowed (especially as an experienced admin) to post what I feel (within bounds of course).

I know that you may believe that I am being a burden to this wiki. But I have not made any disruptive edits to this wiki, and I don't know why everyone is accusing me of being the bad person here. I'm just doing what I feel is in the intrest of the users. This is not about me, this is not about winning, this is not about having the most users. It is about what is best for the users. If you feel that I am being degratory or am making things worse for the users of both sites, please tell me. I will be happy to explain myself. Chimpso (Talk) 10:10, June 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * Honestly I'm not bothered either way, he hasn't really done much other than that blog. The blog however was an obvious attempt to make this wiki look bad, and I don't think anyone who has seen that blog can disagree with that, another thing which annoyed me was how you claimed to check in on this wiki which you never did which is why it was in such a mess and why I had to spent so long getting rid of fan fiction, vandalism etc. You don't need admin rights as you don't edit this wiki anymore but I don't see any harm in you keeping admin rights. Tom Talk 10:27, June 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * An attempt to make the wiki look bad? Once again, I was simply stating the obvious. A large amount of ads and an untidy skin vs few ads and a stable skin. If that makes your wiki look bad then that is no ones fault but your own, and you can't blame me for this. As for checking in, we DID. Spaceeinstien was even looking after the wiki for a short amount of time, reverting vandalism. However, remember that we planned on moving, not forking, not splitting in two, but moving. Wikia's choice to keep this wiki running caused us to have split priorities. And, while our site was still getting set up, you can't honestly think we would devote a huge amount of time to this wiki, when we were still putting together our own. Like you said, there's no harm in me keeping admin rights. I have not degraded this wiki, and I am still here to answer questions and help out. Remember what I said, it's in the intrest of the users. And I know that you guys are relitivley new to adminship. If you have any questions to ask, I'm still here, I still check in every day or so, you can ask me. Just because I don't edit, doesn't mean I can't remain an admin, editing is not the only thing that admins do. Chimpso (Talk) 10:39, June 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * Based on what he has said, I see no harm in him keeping admin rights, so I have now changed my mind and oppose desysopping him. Dan the Man 1983 10:49, June 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * I've changed my mind for basically the same reason as Dan as well as because of what I said earlier, "I don't see any harm in you keeping admin rights". Also Chimpso, 3 of the 5 admins are very experienced, we're all bureaucrats on other wiki's. Tom Talk 10:55, June 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * Did either of you two actually check his contributions logs? He claims he has "done nothing to violate the rules of this wiki or Wikia", and yet he's deleted pages with the deletion summary "(Load of junk, thanks for pointing it out GTAForums ;), now, go to www.grandtheftwiki.com)" and written a blog advertising the other wiki - those are both against the rules of this wiki and Wikia (if they weren't, all those other admins wouldn't have been desysoped and blocked). McJeff (talk this way)/(stalk this way) 00:04, June 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * I understand that McJeff wants to demote Chimpso because he doesn't do too much on this wiki. But like Tom and Dan the Man 1983 said, I don't think it'll hurt anything if he stays an admin. I'm sorry guys, I'm just stuck. Bunnyjoke 16:27, June 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * That's not at all why I want to demote him - I want to demote him because he is abusing the administrator tools to promote another wiki. McJeff (talk this way)/(stalk this way) 00:04, June 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * Since I see both sides, I have withdrawn my vote and I am not voting in this. You lot can decide whether he stays an admin or not. Dan the Man 1983 06:41, June 28, 2011 (UTC)

McJeff, I would appreciate if you actually read my previous comments, where I have already explained why I created the blog. Those deletions you are refering to were pointed out to me by a post on GTAForums (titled "Don't trust the GTA Wikia, GTA V page is bullshit"). After seeing the GTA V page on here and seeing how trashed it was (there were users on the forums saying "GTA V will be in .... because the Wiki said so"), I decided to delete it as it was spreading misinformation everywhere, hence the term, "load of junk". The "Go to Grand Theft Wiki.com" part was there because many users said "I don't trust it, but it still has some info" and that was adressed to them (hence the refferal to GTAForums). If users don't trust a wiki, I am happy to offer them an alternative, which I did. I see no harm in that, once again, I do things in the intrest of the users, not for my personal gains. If the only thing you have to support a demotion is a blog that you clearly misunderstood and two deletions that seemed uncalled for, then I personally believe that you have a fairly weak case. Chimpso (Talk) 08:00, June 28, 2011 (UTC)