User talk:Kiwismurf/Archives/2018-09

Lamar
Just curious why my edit was reverted when it’s a proven fact?

RE:
Thanks! --RoachTheIntelCollector (talk) 20:11, July 1, 2018 (UTC)

Mission Transcripts
Hi, I was going through the mission to-do-list and noticed that transcripts were needed for GTAV missions, just wondering where you wanted them, whether on the page itself or a new page for example: Prologue/Transcript?

--~ Daniel Viglietti 02:14, July 2, 2018 (UTC)

Manual of Style
Hi, I'm checking the manual of style, there are 2 things I don't understand from the "Bold, Italics and Link Usage":


 * 1) What does exactly mean "Following from this, headings of GTA games must be both full form and italicized, but not linked."?
 * 2) Then it says "Titles of television, film and radio programs, musical albums, games and newspapers and magazines within the GTA universe itself, as well as real life equivalents of these, must be italicized as well. // Following from this, headings of these in-game works must also be italicized, but not linked." Does it mean that everytime I mention a radio station I have to write it in italics? And by writing the headings in italics does it mean that in the article of, say, Bounce FM, I have to put "Playlist", "Video", "Trivia" and "See Also" (i.e. all the headings in italics)?

Regards.--Vagoperezoso (talk) 01:42, July 4, 2018 (UTC)

Halloween Suprise Revert
Excuse me, why was my edit deleted?

Why???
Hey, Kiwismurf. Just Curious Why Was My Edit Was Reverted When It’s A Proven Fact? (On The Kyle Chavis Page)

Ryder And Beverly Forever!!!! GROVE STREET 4 LIFE (talk) 05:09, July 8, 2018 (UTC)

RE: Protection
No prob, man. 15:42, July 10, 2018 (UTC)

GTA Episodes From Liberty City
Hi, I hope you're doing fine. I want to ask you if you could let me create a redirect page called "GTA Episodes From Liberty City". See, the thing is that with the exception of that one, all games have redirect pages when you just type "GTA" and then the name of the title (as in "GTA San Andreas" instead of the longer "Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas"). So, for the sake of uniformity and standardization when writing all the links, I would like to have that redirect page created. Regards.--Vagoperezoso (talk) 09:43, July 13, 2018 (UTC)

CMC
Yeah, I've been getting a tonne of screenshots and information about businesses, focusing on Cypress Flats lately, and noticed there seems to be at least a couple of CMC places. CMC will likely become an article for the business and if the buildings are prominent in missions (not sure?), we can designate them separate articles (since they are quite large). Monk ( Bureaucrat ) Talk 10:25, July 13, 2018 (UTC)


 * Yeah, as part of the Gang Attacks updates, I'm looking at any locations that need pages (like the "Cherry Pie" Farm and I found the Great Chaparral instance of CMC was added by Cloudkit01, so it has to be taken with a fairly large dose of skepticism, except it was when he was being constructive and added legit ones at the same time. Damned if I can find any signage for it anywhere in Great Chaparral though. Smurfy: illuminate - communicate - spectate 10:42, July 13, 2018 (UTC)

Da Shootaz's Grand Theft Auto
Thanks for the help with the redirect page! I have one more request. I would like to have the article "Gangster Friday" re-titled to "Grand Theft Auto (song)". The thing is, I've been doing some researches and I found that the article is wrong. The actual title of the song is just "Grand Theft Auto", credited to fictional band "Da Shootaz", and the telltale sign, so to speak, is that the song is featured in the game's radios. The song "Gangster Friday" instead is credited to fictional band "Slumpussy" and doesn't play in any of the radios of the game (instead it works as the title track, and plays in the scores screen and the credits at the end of the game).

I gathered these references, you can see in the credits of the songs that Da Shootaz's "Grand Theft Auto" is listed with the songs of the radio N-CT FM and Slumpussy's Gangster Friday is instead listed as "Title track":


 * 1) CD of GTA 1 at Discogs: https://www.discogs.com/es/Various-Grand-Theft-Auto/release/10978924
 * 2) PDF of the manual of GTA 1: http://gtamp.com/GTA1/gta1manual.pdf
 * 3) PDF of the manual of GTA III (when "Grand Theft Auto" is featured again, on the Lips 106 radio): https://www.rockstargames.com/img/manuals/en_us/GTATrilogy_GTAIII_PS2_Manual_M01.pdf

Regards.--Vagoperezoso (talk) 11:07, July 13, 2018 (UTC)

Bureaucrat
Do you think you would be up for it? It's either you or Sam, both long standing staff members who are equally gracious here, would be a fantastic move ahead for more potentially successful admins. What do you think? :) (No, I didn't copy/paste the message, both personalized :p) Monk ( Bureaucrat ) Talk 18:28, July 13, 2018 (UTC)

End of the Line; Curly Bob
Hello.

I've received your advice through my email and I now know what I did wrong. However, what mistake did I make while editing End of the Line and Curly Bob? Just would like to know :D

Thanks! RadBoy123 (talk) 21:20, July 16, 2018 (UTC)

End of the Line
Hello.

Thanks again for the information regarding my edits. I was wondering if you could revert your revert to my edits on End of the Line (Curly Bob doesn't really matter) and give me another chance to re-edit said articles. Just a thought.

Thanks! RadBoy123 (talk) 22:10, July 16, 2018 (UTC)

NECESSARY EDITS
Hi!

Thanks for allowing me to make the necessary edits to my former edits. I've switched the 'I's into Carl or The Player, and I've also changed the link. Could you review End of the Line again and contact me if there are any more issues?

Thanks! RadBoy123 (talk) 22:50, July 16, 2018 (UTC)

NPC modified vehicles
Just thought you should know, since NPC modified vehicles never really had their "own" article, I decided to make Vehicles in GTA V/Scenarios. It's basically a page that includes NPC modified vehicles as well as other unique scenarios. The page goes into quite a bit more detail than the LSC page and will be getting more detail in the future. The LSC section for NPC modified vehicles is still useful though, especially when putting a price label on these cars. Monk ( Bureaucrat ) Talk 09:29, July 18, 2018 (UTC)

LS Customs Modded
Hey Smurf, just to save you time invested into unnecessary research, just thought you should know a few things, according to the files: Some useful information is found on my sandbox, as well as some pictures of both the cars and the spawn positions. I was planning on getting an image of each variation in each location, but that would total to hundreds of combinations and pictures, so that's off for now. Hope this helps in the meantime. Monk ( Bureaucrat ) Talk 07:57, July 19, 2018 (UTC)
 * The time of spawn for almost all of the modded vehicles is all day, 00:00 - 24:00, including LSC cars. There's a few exceptions; the vehicles spawning driving out of places in Downtown LS, for example, is 06:00-20:00, and Sandking XL at Sandy Shores' discount store is 09:00-17:00, Sandking XL at Paleto Bay Ammu-Nation is 11:00 to 15:00, and Rat-Loader at Paleto Bay gas station is 07:00-15:00.
 * The only pre-modified vehicles that don't spawn outside LS Customs are the more "exclusive" model sets; the Bifta, Kalahari, Sandking XL, Roosevelt, Super Diamond, Rat-Loader, all the "Lowriders Modded" cars, and all the "Gang Modded" cars.
 * Here's a list of the LSC cars:
 * Coquette Classic (same 2)
 * Feltzer (same 1)
 * Dubsta2 (same 2)
 * Infernus (same 2)
 * Dominator (same 1)
 * Ruiner (same 2)
 * Sabre GT (same 2)
 * Gauntlet (same 1)
 * Sentinel (same 2)
 * Rapid GT (same 2)
 * Voltic (same 1)
 * Comet (same 2)
 * Surano (same 2)
 * Thrust (same 2)
 * Alpha (same 2)
 * Huntley S (same 2)
 * Jester (same 2)
 * Massacro (same 2)
 * Turismo R (same 2)
 * Zentorno (same 2)
 * Blade (same 2)
 * Glendale (same 2)
 * Panto (same 2)
 * Pigalle (same 2)
 * Rhapsody (same 2)
 * Warrener (same 2)
 * Outside of LSC, most of the cars are grouped into "modded sets" which determine where these variations spawn according to the scenario, this results in, for example, only high-end sports cars spawning on the downtown parking lot, or only the beach bum cars near the beach. Funnily enough, the LSC group is literally just a clone of almost all of these sets (as mentioned earlier, only a few are excepted from the list), so the cars outside LSC aren't anymore unique than when they spawn elsewhere, sharing the same mods, etc. Moreoever, the "LSC" group of vehicles isn't exclusive to LSC either, in fact there's a couple of downtown spawns which use the LSC group, resulting in lots of different variations.
 * There is usually 2 variations of each vehicle. The Feltzer, Dominator, Gauntlet, Voltic and all the lowrider cars only have 1 variation, while the Super Diamond has 3 variations and the Surfer has 4.
 * I did start a location list, seen on my sandbox, but never got round to finish it, despite having seen all of the locations (oh well :p).
 * I'm not entirely sure on the probability, since the .meta files reference it as 1.0000 (indefinite chance of spawning), and the .ymt files reference it as 0 (probably just null). I think, just like all scenarios, the chance of it spawning are determined by various factors, such as whether or not you're driving very fast (the game doesn't tend to load these scenarios during fast-pace gameplay as they will slow down the performance), whether or not there's already too many other scenarios playing, etc. I haven't been able to find a definite probability value for any scenarios, which really annoys me. Hopefully there's something somewhere.


 * There's a list of vehicles that spawn in MP, I believe. The MP one seem to use that special spawn point opposite from the actual garage door, never noticed it in Online tbh; They spawn between 07:00 and 18:00.
 * The list of MP vehicles that spawn outside LSC is:


 * Dubsta2
 * Infernus
 * Ruiner
 * Dominator
 * Sabre GT
 * Gauntlet
 * Rapid GT
 * Surano
 * Voltic
 * Comet
 * Sentinel
 * Again, same variations as their SP counterparts. Monk (Bureaucrat.png Bureaucrat ) <font face="Tahoma">Talk 09:21, July 19, 2018 (UTC)


 * I believe I have located the index which determines whether or not a scenario can occur in Online. There's a data entry "availableMpSp", 0 seems to mean SP only (I checked boxville scenarios, as they don't occur online), 1 means both (seems quite a few have this), and 2 means MP only (that "opposite-LSC" MP modified cars parking spot has this) I'll check through to see which of the modified vehicle spawns I know of have this value:


 * Beach Bum cars at Vespucci Beach (00:00-24:00)
 * Surfer modded at Del Perro Beach car park (07:00-19:00)
 * LS Modded SP cars at Galileo Observatory (08:00-21:00) - you might have to check this one, because it says it spawns in MP but the set it is using is of SP cars, not sure if they cancel each other out.


 * I'd probably take this with a grain of salt, to be honest. Apparently, according to the data, the Sandking and Rat Loader don't spawn in MP, but I'm pretty sure I've seen the Rat Loader in MP at least once. It also seems that there's a lot of inconsistency regarding animal spawns in the files, some apparently "can" spawn in MP while some cannot, but it's a known fact that animals don't spawn at all. There's probably a script file that disables animal spawns and there could be one for certain vehicles too. <font size="4" face="Tahoma">Monk (Bureaucrat.png <font color="#4DFF00">Bureaucrat ) <font face="Tahoma">Talk 09:36, July 19, 2018 (UTC)


 * Talking of LSC mesa, I've just been working on a locations list for LS modded SP cars, check it out (this is a template to be implemented into articles, see Boxville for example.)


 * LSC La Mesa, according to files:
 * LS Customs Modded MP cars spawn parked next to the oil tanker, facing opposite the building, near the railway, between 11:00 - 19:00.
 * LS Customs Modded SP cars spawn driving out onto the main road all day.
 * Any random car can be seen driving out onto the main road between 07:00 - 11:00.
 * Muscle Cars Modded (Dominator, Gauntlet, etc) can be seen driving out onto the main road between 11:00 - 19:00
 * A Police Interceptor can be seen facing the railway, parked just outside the building, at any time of day.


 * Have you seen any of these? I can't recall any of them at all! <font size="4" face="Tahoma">Monk (Bureaucrat.png <font color="#4DFF00">Bureaucrat ) <font face="Tahoma">Talk 10:21, July 19, 2018 (UTC)


 * Agreed with the police thing. I don't recall seeing it, ever. And yeah, verification in-game is usually essential since half of these appear to be different in-game. I trust the timings, I can't imaging they are overriden, and I trust the spawn positions, but verification as to whether they actually do occur and what game is usually important.


 * It's great that this data is finally being used in application on the wiki, I never knew what to do with it but now that it's becoming a reality in the locations section, I find it really interesting, seeing how the game plays with these settings is really cool. The locations work really well with the model set template I'm using in the NPC modified cars, showing the mods, colours, etc. <font size="4" face="Tahoma">Monk (Bureaucrat.png <font color="#4DFF00">Bureaucrat ) <font face="Tahoma">Talk 10:47, July 19, 2018 (UTC)

Minor Turbulence
Why was the Trivia i Added to Removed? I tested it and you CAN Save the Merryweather Mesa in Trevors Garage if you Push it in with Another Vehicle

DaringDo63 (talk) 21:12, July 20, 2018 (UTC)DaringDo63

Lazlow photo
Hey, what went wrong this time? I followed all the steps you said in my talk page, I changed the name of the file and then I clicked on the "fair use" license, like you said. Why can't the photo of Lazlow stay in the article?--Vagoperezoso (talk) 21:21, July 20, 2018 (UTC)

Why Not?
You did an undo on my contribution of linking the image on this page. May I know why my edit was not valid and was reversed by you? <font size="5" color="FEC356" face="Times New Roman">Meraj: <font size="2" face="Times New Roman">look >> talk >> stalk 10:50, July 27, 2018 (UTC)

Troll
By reading this page, it appears you have a tendency to invalidate users’ contributions without leaving any rationale whatsoever. And I will not be engaging in any imbecilic edit war with such thickheads. Born2BGratis (talk) 14:32, July 27, 2018 (UTC)
 * Oh wow, I find your attempt at rationalizing your not using “Edit summary” ridiculous. I have never been uncivil to anyone before in this wiki. But whatever dude, you’re the one with powers here so you may use them to patronize people. This just isn’t worth my time. Born2BGratis (talk) 14:53, July 27, 2018 (UTC)

Nightclubs Sell data
Could  you please show me where you want the table of profits to go? I could not find a right page.

Sorry if this is a repeat. New user wanting to help

Question about putting the nightclub profit table here. Where would it go and why all Caps?

Savestra = Mazda, really?
I invite you to explain to me how that ONE car, is more like a Mazda RX-3, then a Nissan C110 GTR.

It's clearly a company parodying Nissan, and every other car is listed as Nissan, but that -one- vehicle is suddenly a Mazda? Why?

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/94gvxcjKJTk/hqdefault.jpg

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/AjPg9bzYYAs/maxresdefault.jpg

I mean listen to the engine, it even sounds the same.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsQUN-c-MYA

Thesavestraisac110 (talk) 20:30, July 31, 2018 (UTC)

Okay, allow me to provide you with some more evidence--

Rear of a Mazda RX-3

http://image.superstreetonline.com/f/31839708+w+h+q80+re0+cr1/sstp_1002_03_o%2B1973_mazda_rx_3%2Brear.jpg

http://performancedrive.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/1972-Mazda-RX-3-rear.jpg

Rear of a Nissan GTR C110

https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3783/9693627646_3bf42601b2_b.jpg

https://gyazo.com/f8879b0ebf5305727ecfd7ace6a1f5c8

I will admit it's not as fat, but the general body shape only confirms to this because it isn't as wide-- basically because of these windows--

https://i.gyazo.com/4254c0572c945ab683fbcb740d1a0e60.png

You're calling it a Mazda? Why? The whole Annis lineup is Nissan and this vehicle, besides the fact that it's more narrow, is almost exactly the same as a C110. The only areas it differs are it's thickness and the rear window. As opposed to say, the grille, the rear lighting arrangement, the tires--

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/SVvUTr_JOQM/maxresdefault.jpg

If that rear window were flush with the body, it wold be indisputable.

Thesavestraisac110 (talk) 20:58, July 31, 2018 (UTC)

Media policy reminder
Greetings, Kiwismurf.

I noticed the message you left on my talk page regarding the images I sent. Is there something wrong with them? Or perhaps I chose the wrong category option for them when I first uploaded them. I tried to change them up a bit, but I couldn't find the easy way. Do you know how I can change the images so that I can declare them as being screenshots I took in-game?

I also tried to edit one of my character info-boxes with additional information, but it wouldn't let me. Why is that?

I know for the fact that we haven't gotten along well since the last discussion, but I'd like to discuss what happened on my talk page with you. What happened, and how I can fix it?

Best regards,

-Christian

Scouting the Port edit
Hey there, apparently an edit I did got reverted also got rid of an edit I did sometime last month. Is it alright if I put this edit back on the page? [//gta.wikia.com/wiki/Scouting_the_Port?diff=1082108&oldid=1046771 https://gta.wikia.com/wiki/Scouting_the_Port?diff=1082108&oldid=1046771] --Chrysalis14 (talk) 09:00, August 9, 2018 (UTC)

Victor Vance Speculation
Hey, what did I do wrong here? The site didn't give me much detail, if this is on the Victor Vance page, I stated quite clearly that was not to taken as any form of canon and it was very much a fan theory. This wiki is FULL of those, I didn't mean to be misleading or anything. Just let me know so I know what not to do in the future.
 * Answered quite clearly by the warning on your talk page. Read the policies. <font size="4" color="#1589FF" face="Arial">Smurfy: <font size="1" face="Arial">illuminate - communicate - spectate 22:21, August 11, 2018 (UTC)

GTA Advance title
It's a slippery slop on the title as I looked. I admittedly didn't do much research on the title before hand and it turns out the source I looked at that referred to the "Grand Theft Auto" being the official name from promotional material as such appears to be misinformed. Rockstar does refer to it as Advance a few times on its website you mentioned. Other sites from around the same time refer to it as Advance as well, while IGN and some online stores refer to it as simply Grand Theft Auto. IGN, Metacritic and the official Wikipedia page for the game still refer to it as Grand Theft Auto as well. I'd like to reach a compromise to mention "also known as simply Grand Theft Auto." on the article.

Nonstopmaximum (talk) 22:40, September 1st, 2018 (UTC)Nonstopmaximum

Reason for reverting? Was it just too detailed? Would love a reply, thanks.

Regarding the Millie Perkins Wiki Page
Hey, I just wanted to ask why my trivia regarding Millie Perkins was reverted. If I mis-categorize them, I'd be more happy to know which one you think would suit, I would also like to know if what I stated was too much/too detailed (you get the idea). Thanks. DanishWithAGasMask (talk) 07:33, September 3, 2018 (UTC)

regarding my edit revert
hi, regarding gta online nightclub warehouse management edit that you reverted ([//gta.wikia.com/wiki/Nightclubs/Sell_Goods?oldid=1093208 https://gta.wikia.com/wiki/Nightclubs/Sell_Goods?oldid=1093208]), may i know why is it irrelevant here? i thought it would have been easier to refer to rather than to cross reference the nightclub page

Wolnavi (talk) 22:50, September 3, 2018 (UTC)

reply to you
i dont mean to sound rude but you mentioned "covered in full", however, i saw the table was still halfway done, unless you meant the "Description" section? Wolnavi (talk) 23:03, September 3, 2018 (UTC)

Hi, you said my trivia about the mission that special someone as irrelevant, I have seen the exact same kind of facts on the trivia section that were not deleted, my comment was about the music played at the end of the mission being one of the only two times that it was played, the other being mr and mrs bellic, the other that was reverted for being irrelevant was my comment on was on Eugene Reaper's page about how he is one of the only characters in gta 4 to be killed in the mission he was introduced in and not killed by niko, I read the exact same thing on the article about the character andrei (the guy that kiddnapped niko and roman for killing vlad), and from what i know that was never deleted, same thing on the that speicial someone page, on this sh*ts cursed from tlad there is a trivia talking about the music at the end of the mission. I am not trying to sound rude, but can you possibly message me personally about how my trivia is 'irrelevant', I always thought trivia was supposed to be fun facts, maybe I am wrong.

thanks for responding and giving me info on why all my stuff was deleted, this is one of my first days using fandom so I am new to editing, I will make sure I dont add anymore trivias, so i dont go out of my way to add it for it to get deleted lmao. when i made that bulgurain employee page I didn't know how to edit, like adding a description page, mission apperances and trivia etc... if you decide if a page for that character is neccesary, let me know and you can show me how to make a page with all the details, I appreciate you helping me out and responding to my comment, thanks DarkDiamond11 (talk) 03:27, September 8, 2018 (UTC)

hey so i was working on it, when i added the status deceased and name and stuff like that the page showed the files instead of the categories, there is probably an easy way to fix it, can you help me out?

Prostitutes i.e Ladies of the Night
You should pay better attention to what was actually being said, prostitutes (i.e. ladies of the night) are  never referred to as hookers in GTA V.

The discussion was about GTA V and in-game. NOT the other games.

Now IF they are referred to as hookers in GTA V then hit me up with some of those links that demonstrates that they are. You hsould calm down and check your own attitude toward fellow contributors to this site, threating me with a permanent ban is beyond childish, made worse when the threat is based on your own misunderstanding of what the dispute was all about.

Now I asked for this to be takenup on  talk page,  now let's talk.....


 * My 2 cents:


 * Van Der Beek, you really need to work on your attitude. First of all, you're talking to high-level administrators, you should treat them with respect, they are only doing their duty and your attitude towards them is inappropriate. Bans are issued to users who refrain from poor behaviour, or do not listen when they are told to. Both of which you are currently falling under.


 * 2nd of all, although I've yet to be enlightened on some direct "hooker" nomenclature, there are multiple references to prostitutes as "hookers" in game: America's Next Top Hooker being the main one (which doesn't physically appear in GTA V, but can be heard during one mission.), or subtle references such as Hookah Palace. A quick search in  brings up a few more:


 * 0x1A9D3613 = Lawyers at Slaughter in hotel hooker scandal.
 * The target frequents the Las Puerta red light district and is beating and ripping off hookers in the area. Use any means to eliminate him and get a photo of him with one of the girls for a bonus.
 * 0x144A2B46 = Drop Off Hooker
 * MN_HOOK = DROP OFF HOOKER
 * 0x671FC82C = Drugs, hookers, and self-loathing are all good fun, but they take their toll. Partying has an adverse effect on general health, but teaches you how to survive on adrenaline alone, heightening shooting and stealth skills. You can party for up to 8 hours a day.
 * I'd say that's more than enough to go by.

<font size="4" face="Tahoma">Monk ( <font color="#4DFF00">Bureaucrat ) <font face="Tahoma">Talk 14:41, September 13, 2018 (UTC)


 * Let me add that it is irrelevant if they are called "hookers" in GTA V or not (they are), because the article covers all GTA games since GTA III, not only V. Kiwismurf has already proven you are wrong. Stop edit warring and wasting our time. DocVinewood (talk) 15:01, September 13, 2018 (UTC)

@Monk
My 2 cents:

This is a wiki page, not a class room in which children are held ´hostage´and when told to shut up expected do so on command, and if not doing so and asking a questioning,  be threatened to be permanently thrown out of the classroom and school on a teachers arbitrary whim.

@ DocVinewood
I was posting in the GTA V section. As for edit warring it wasn't one until others joined in, you can’t edit war on your own, does’t work that way. Lastly, I can’t stop an edit war that is currently not ongoing, we’re engaged at the talk page here.

In any case, clearly adding the definion of “ladies of the night” was not accepted, and that’s ok. So as far as I'm concerned the issue has been resolved.

Van Der Beek (talk) 16:25, September 13, 2018 (UTC)

You reverted my edits
[//gta.wikia.com/index.php?title=Costa_Rican_Gang&diff=1094846&oldid=1094842 https://gta.wikia.com/index.php?title=Costa_Rican_Gang&diff=1094846&oldid=1094842]

But you can see these are valid points, test them youself in the game. Most everything written is based on speculation, also I do not ever recall the game mentioning the word "costa rican gang". The player statistics is a valid enough source, they are listed tehre in least favorite gang as Cuban gang. Also they never fight cuban gang and vice versa, but they attack anyother gang (e.g. Haitians) if you lure them to the boat yard and vice versa. I suggest at least leaved this point as a trivia.

Request to delete my wiki account
Alright so hello. I saw that you are one of the administrators on this website and I want my account to be deleted from this wiki but I can't find any button or something for this option... So I'm asking you, can you please delete my Ferside account from this wiki? I'll be very thankful. :) Ferside (talk) 20:52, September 18, 2018 (UTC)

Jimmy De Santa kiling a merryweather agent in meltdown
Kitehang (talk) 19:14, September 26, 2018 (UTC)I just know that Jimmy killed him. The bong was hard enough to cause deadly and lethal damage to head, brain, and skull. There was more than one sound when the agent got hit, one of them sounded like a bone cracking. There is no evidence or proof that he just knocked him out.Kitehang (talk) 19:14, September 26, 2018 (UTC)
 * No. <font size="4" color="#1589FF" face="Arial">Smurfy: <font size="1" face="Arial">illuminate - communicate - spectate 21:39, September 26, 2018 (UTC)

How do you know
Kitehang (talk) 22:18, September 26, 2018 (UTC) How do you know that Jimmy knocked him out instead of killing him? There is no proof or evidence that Jimmy knocked him out. Oh and by the way I put the names of the oneil borthers because of how many people were there not because they were rednecksKitehang (talk) 22:18, September 26, 2018 (UTC)
 * No. <font size="4" color="#1589FF" face="Arial">Smurfy: <font size="1" face="Arial">illuminate - communicate - spectate 22:26, September 26, 2018 (UTC)