Forum:What about videos & video policy?

Hey, I wanted the opinion of both staff members and good intentioned users in this wiki, I was talking to Leon Davis yesterday about videos, my opinion is that we should be a bit strict when it comes to videos in this wiki, my suggestions of video policy are: This came up on my mind when I saw cell phone recorded videos on the red dead wiki and videos with random music on my Scarface wiki, I need your opinion about this. ( talk / stalk / blog ) 15:14, February 28, 2015 (UTC)
 * We can't have videos with voice comments ("what's up guys, it's mr. mule here bla bla bla")
 * Videos can't have random music, unless the music fits very well (like Jaws' theme on the shark knife fight video)
 * Videos can only be recorded directly from the PC or Console. Cell phone recorded videos can't be added.
 * Videos should be directly related to the article, like the Shark Knife fight, the videos of how to obtain the Lazer, Titan and Prison Bus, videos of minigames (Darts, Golf, Pool, Yoga   (for real?)


 * I agree. Videos need to be given the same treatment as regular pictures. It is important for us to maintain high quality on this wiki. Carl Johnson Jr. (talk) 03:16, March 1, 2015 (UTC)

Discussion
That sounds about right, can't seek fault in that :)  (talk) | (stalk) 15:41, February 28, 2015 (UTC)

First of all, we could simply merge the videos guidelines with the Image Policy (and eventually rename it File Policy, that sounds better).

I don't think we need to be particularly strict regarding videos. My points:
 * Commentary is banned. Background music too, even if it fits.
 * Videos containing like/subscribe requests are to be banned - they should be considered as pure advertising. GTASeriesVideos have plenty of proper videos on GTA, and since we use their videos for the mission walkthroughs, we can use more from them.
 * Regarding the "Videos should be directly related to the article" point, I think we can simply assume it's obvious enough not to be integrated into our guidelines. I'm sure no one will upload a P-996 Lazer video in the Bus page.
 * "Videos can only be recorded directly from the PC or Console. Cell phone recorded videos can't be added." - Agree with this.

15:47, February 28, 2015 (UTC)


 * Excellent points Rain, about the background music being banned, I think the Shark Knife fight should be taken as an exception, however, if it gets removed, I will try recording on my PS4. [[Image:Signature.png|105px|link=User:AndreEagle17|AndreEagle17]] ( talk / stalk / blog ) 16:12, February 28, 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's even better, and i am sure that no-one will upload a Lazer video into a Bus article Rain, for sure XD MONKEYPOLICE188.png (talk) | (stalk) 15:51, February 28, 2015 (UTC)


 * The videos also need to be relevant to the article (how to get a rare car for example), so we need to be careful about redundant videos. Also, the thumbnail, does it need to be something more "presentable" or it can be a clusterfuck like the one in this page? What about mature content? Can we allow videos of players having sex in first person mode with prostitutes or having a private dance with a stripper just to show this features? DLVIIIL   Talk  17:26, February 28, 2015 (UTC)


 * Players having sex with a prostitute? It may sound irrelevant and redundant, but it's actually a good idea, about the Sharmoota job, I need to watch it first, but it seems to have too much commentary and like/subscribe requests, if it has, then the video should be removed. [[Image:Signature.png|105px|link=User:AndreEagle17|AndreEagle17]] ( talk / stalk / blog ) 17:36, February 28, 2015 (UTC)

I think videos related to sex should not be allowed unless they are part of a mission like in mission Mr. Phillips. And I agree with rules suggested by Rain and Andre. Commentry and advertising should be banned.Hunter(Talk/Stalk) 18:00, February 28, 2015 (UTC)

I agree with pretty much what everyone else has said. Videos should be presented in context. Missions like Mr Philips include sex, so that is acceptable because it is in context. To be honest, most people who come to a Wiki about GTA would expect "mature" content but we must keep things in context. With regards to commentaries on videos, if the video has a silent walkthrough (i.e. a screen message on videos pertaining to myths) then they are acceptable. One YouTube channel I find very useful is GTA Series Videos. SJWalker (talk) 21:47, February 28, 2015 (UTC)

Agree on others but these: -Videos can't have random music, unless the music fits very well (like Jaws' theme on the shark knife fight video) -''Videos can only be recorded directly from the PC or Console. Cell phone recorded videos can't be added. ''

Why? Random music can be good if it's used properly. If it's a calm backrgound music or something, why not? It'll make the video less boring to watch - music > no music. I can agree if it's some crazy heavy metal song on a how-to video, but if it's something normal, it shouldn't be banned. Most videos have external music in them to avoid money whores copyright strikes and make the video less boring. Neutral on this, but I feel like it's better to not restrict music if it's suitable.

Cell phone (or camera) videos should NOT be banned, ever. Unless the video is absolute garbage quality that you can't make out anything, there shouldn't be a restriction. Not everyone has the money (or don't even want to waste money on it) to buy an overpriced capture card and there even are some consoles that don't have any capture cards and therefore have to install a bunch of programs and hacks and get lucky to finally get it on screen for recording. There are many helpful guides recorded with a phone or camera for whatever reason. Why should we accept an unhelpful, garbage, incomplete, waste of space abomination of a video while there is a plethora of proper videos that actually help others? The first one is recorded with a capture card. But honestly, I'd take a cell phone/camera video any day over an useless video       made by a bunch of people who are completely unhelpful. Quality (as in effort to give the most proper and accurate information) over quantity (amount of things in video to save space, giving little to no information). Also note that some people have an actual life so they don't have time to make some many videos on so many things with so many HD qualities, etc.

Which also goes onto the next point; We can't have videos with voice comments ("what's up guys, it's mr. mule here bla bla bla") . Agreed with the "like, subscribe and comment for more x-x-x-tra awesum vids. xXshiteVidzzXx signs out with du-du-du-dubbbstepp music. cya, kthxbai." type of commentary but believe it or not, there are many commentaries that do NOT include any of these... and even if they do they are actually normal "would appreciate a like or sub, but you don't have to if you don't want to" type of commentary. Also how-to videos are better with a commentary. They are more helpful and guide the person properly. Example? Speedrun videos. If I would be watching GTA III/VC speedruns, Adam_Ak's for example, I would actually have NO IDEA whatsoever if he didn't talk to give info about different tips or tricks. I'd be actually left clueless as to how did he did that glitch or how did he managed to do that, etc.. Also when random things happen, reaction on the commentary makes things 1000x funnier than what is seen on video.

We can't suppress everything. Everyone and everything has it's pros and cons. -A youtuber nobody knows about thanks to youtube's shitty money whoring priviledges partner programme leaving those who can at the top and those who can't at the very bottom: Good quality and helpful guide, bad video recording quality - cellphone, camera, etc. -Likes of GTASeriesVideos: Good video recording quality - capture card with HD 1080p and maxed out GFX (if PC), extremely poor quality and unhelpful. -Common dubstep, commentary, GTA O youtuber: Good... wait, there is nothing good about them lol -Others: Helpfulness varies (mostly good) and recording quality varies (mostly good too)

This is a wiki - the editors make the place what it is, not staff. Staff gets rid of vandals and occassionally edits (+ make the site actually exist) but the editors are what make the wiki expand and actually be a wiki. Mundane and pointless crap like Image or Video policies just draw editors away - especially if they are enforced more than the actual rules. 21:58, February 28, 2015 (UTC)


 * Thank you for showing up WildBrick, I knew your opinion would be useful, but let's talk about the videos, music in videos are not that bad, good examples are the Shark Knife Fight video and maybe this one too, some videos are not bad with music, also, sometimes we can't find videos without music, when it's not music, there's comments like "hey guys, it's mr. mule bla bla bla, like, subscribe and all the sh*t", so music is sometimes acceptable.


 * Voice comments make some videos funny and useful, like those from DutchBudokaiFan, however, I don't think they're useful to this wiki, this is something that I don't know how to explain, screen messages however, are very good and useful in my opinion, my two videos of how to obtain the Lazer and the Titan has screen messages, showing what the player should do (they can be deactivated however)


 * Cell phone recorded videos, I know where you come from, your video showing how to explore North Yankton is fine, but it would look better if you were recording directly from your console, wouldn't it? All cell phone recorded videos in this wiki were deleted as far as I know. [[Image:Signature.png|105px|link=User:AndreEagle17|AndreEagle17]] ( talk / stalk / blog ) 22:35, February 28, 2015 (UTC)

"Thank you for showing up WildBrick, I knew your opinion would be useful, but let's talk about the videos, music in videos are not that bad, good examples are the Shark Knife Fight video and maybe this one too, some videos are not bad with music, also, sometimes we can't find videos without music, when it's not music, there's comments like "hey guys, it's mr. mule bla bla bla, like, subscribe and all the sh*t", so music is sometimes acceptable."

- ( talk / stalk / blog ) 22:35, February 28, 2015 (UTC)

Agree.

"Voice comments make some videos funny and useful, like those from DutchBudokaiFan, however, I don't think they're useful to this wiki, this is something that I don't know how to explain, screen messages however, are very good and useful in my opinion, my two videos of how to obtain the Lazer and the Titan has screen messages, showing what the player should do (they can be deactivated however)"

- ( talk / stalk / blog ) 22:35, February 28, 2015 (UTC)

I feel like commentary is better. This will sound ironic, but I hate it when a wall of text appears and blocks off half the video, making me unable to see what is actaully going on. I also hate it when a wall of text appears, forcing me to pause video to read it.

On the other hand, text is good and suitable for those who don't have any sound on PC during the day (like me) so it shouldn't be neglected either.

I'd say allow both texts and commentaries if the one or the other isn't available.

"Cell phone recorded videos, I know where you come from, your video showing how to explore North Yankton is fine, but it would look better if you were recording directly from your console, wouldn't it? All cell phone recorded videos in this wiki were deleted as far as I know."

- ( talk / stalk / blog ) 22:35, February 28, 2015 (UTC)

It would certainly look better, but I am not and will not be wasting money on something that will be obsolete once PC version comes out. IMO, there should be a quality standard for videos recorded with cellphones or cameras. If nothing can be made out of the video - if it's all blurry and distorted - delete. If something can be made out clearly enough - can be distorted/low quality but if it is possible to still see something clearly - keep the video.

23:06, February 28, 2015 (UTC) A reason why I oppose videos w/ commentaries is that not everyone here is english. I have an advanced level, but I still have difficulties to understand english ppl speaking, especially since a canadian gun won't speak the same way as an american/british/australian guy. Text is more easy to understand - if you don't understand a word or two translate it. Don't get what is that guy speaking about? Unless the video is clear, you're screwed. 23:22, February 28, 2015 (UTC)
 * A basic capture card (not ultra HD crap) costs 40€ (convert to dollar/whatever-money-you-want). Better than horrible cellphone images that end up similar to this.


 * Great points Andre! I agree. No comments or advertising should be allowed in videos and videos should stay on one topic only. No redundant videos. Also, like Hunter said, videos related to sex, for example Booty Calls, should not be in videos on here period unless it's part of a mission. Other than that, great job! [[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt1.png|90px|link=User:Smashbro8|Smashbro8]] ([[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt2.png|50px|link=User talk:Smashbro8|Talk]]) 01:44, March 1, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
 * Set up a new media policy, and it would work. As with images, copyright noted to the video and music creator, and yes, no phone grabs or low quality videos. Leo68 (talk) 02:30, March 1, 2015 (UTC)

On some things I agree with Wild Brick. Cell phone videos should be acceptable but only if they are "clear and understandable". Cell phone videos with very poor quality should not be accepted. A little Commentry should be allowed if there is a need to explain something in the video.eg-How to do this stunt. Text is better because of understanding issues but it should not occupy the whole screen.Hunter(Talk/Stalk) 08:25, March 1, 2015 (UTC)

Smashbro wrote: "since a canadian gun won't speak the same way as an american/british/australian guy."

I think you meant Canadian guy.Hunter(Talk/Stalk) 08:30, March 1, 2015 (UTC)
 * It was me who wrote this, and I just didn't capitalized the 'C'. 09:17, March 1, 2015 (UTC)