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Demotion - JonTheVGNerd
It is difficult to post demotion requests as they are never easy. Sometimes it feels necessary, however. In this case, Jon hasn't been fulfilling in his staff position and I don't feel his edits have qualified as dutiful staff responsibilities. As well as been irregularly inactive, he doesn't seem to have any sort of involvement with the maintenance side of things; hasn't issued warnings out (didn't even know how to, which brings the question of "why bother applying in the first place), hasn't rollbacked or reverted any edits, vandalism, etc, and doesn't appear to have made any checks on wiki activity. Jon's edits mostly consist of adding small, sometimes irrelevant notes to GTA Online vehicle performance and trivia. Unfortunately on this occasion, I believe it is time to let him go, and see where to go from here. Monk Talk 18:36, April 29, 2019 (UTC)

Votes

 * Yes - Noirlime Talk 19:16, April 29, 2019 (UTC)

Comments

 * Alas, rare sight that we see a demotion request. Nonetheless I support this. Though never officially brought up here on the wiki, I had had dicussions with fellow staff members on whether or not Jon was still qualified for a Patroller position on the GTA Wiki Discord before, and the conclusion in the end was obvious. Elder contributor to the wiki? Yes. Attentive staff member who's willing to keep things in check? No, not likely. Jon is not one of those I know well, but as far as I can see, Monk's observations on him are true, and that brings up the Yes. Noirlime Talk 19:16, April 29, 2019 (UTC)

Position of hatnotes
Good day to all. I have noticed an inconsistency with the positioning of the hatnotes (Template:Spoiler, Template:Disambiglink, etc.) on different articles. For example, Keep Your Friends Close... has the "Spoiler" hatnote above the Infobox, while Tommy Vercetti has it beside it. I have been trying to normalize the location of the "Disambiglink" template by placing it beside the Infobox for some time, but after seeing the same issue with the "Spoiler" template I have decided to raise the matter here. Should we have the hatnotes beside the Infobox, or should they be above it? Please vote and/or comment on this. Thank you in advance for your input.

TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 ( talk  |  contributions ) 05:47, March 29, 2019 (UTC)

Votes

 * Above - Slash M ,C 09:26, March 30, 2019 (UTC)
 * Both - Monk Talk 12:35, March 30, 2019 (UTC)
 * Depends - Smurfy: illuminate - communicate - spectate 22:45, March 30, 2019 (UTC)

Comments
Where there are other banner elements (e.g. Maintenance banners like Cleanup, Images needed, Under construction, or Notice elements like Next-gen, Spoilers) that do require 100% of the page width, then any disambig (regardless of width) needs to sit above these, so needs to be the first element in the code. We are currently quite bad at that. We're probably also a bit more relaxed on the over-use of disambigs for things that are related rather than alternates, so should really just be in "see also" sections. Smurfy: illuminate - communicate - spectate 22:45, March 30, 2019 (UTC)
 * It totally depends on the size of the hatnote, in my opinion. For example, fix-width hatnotes (like "Images", "Spoiler", etc) should always be above the infobox, at the very top of an article (unless section-specific), simply because the full-width nature spreads out the text and content within the hatnote much better than it does when condensed between a 300px infobox. However, non-fixed width examples, such as Disambiglink, can vary in width. Really small disambiglinks look awkward when they're above the infobox, as you end up with unnecessary spacing at either side of the hatnote when it is placed above the infobox, hence why I've been moving such small disambiglink hatnotes beneath the infobox, that way, it tidily fits between the infobox and the left margin. <font size="4" face="Tahoma">Monk <font face="Tahoma">Talk 12:35, March 30, 2019 (UTC)
 * I think it depends on the template, and the individual page - but for slightly different reasons to Monk. As per wiki standards, a disambiguation hatnote should always be the topmost element on a page when it is rendered to the user. That doesn't mean it is necessarily the topmost element in the source code. Aligning a short one to the left of a right-aligned infobox still makes it the first element on the page (in English, where we read left-right). Where it requires 100% width, it should obviously be on top.