User talk:MarcusCheeKJ

User Status
I am currently OFFLINE. MC (MyComputer) 08:01, May 1, 2015 (UTC)


 * I may not be online often from early May to mid June, as I will be preparing and participating in the Southeast Asian Games (SEA Games) Opening Ceremony and Closing Ceremony on June 5 and June 16 respectively. I will not be online on the day of both ceremonies. MC (MyComputer) 09:30, April 22, 2015 (UTC)


 * Due to the above reason, I will not be online on the following dates: 9 May, 16 May, 23 May, 30 May, 5 June (Opening Ceremony), 13 June, 14 June, and 16 June (Closing Ceremony). MC (MyComputer) 10:39, April 27, 2015 (UTC)

Manual of Style
We have a manual of style for missions. DLVIIIL  Talk  05:13, March 17, 2015 (UTC)

Hi there.

I know the mission template provides for bulleted lists in the objectives, but if you take a look around, they have not been used for any other mission pages because frankly they make the infoboxes look terrible. The Manual of Style moved them to the page layout where they look much better and don't overcomplicate the infobox.

Please hold off adding any more while I do a little backround check to see why the field and instruction were left in the infobox template. For now, we will revert your changes back to the status quo.

Thanks smurfy (coms) Need a Heist crew? 05:37, March 17, 2015 (UTC)

Hi again. Yes, as you have rightly observed, you can recommence copying the mission objectives to the infoboxes now that WildBrick42 and I have discussed his design changes and he has made some improvements. Please don't remove the objectives from the article body though. Thanks for pausing when asked yesterday. smurfy (coms) 05:39, March 18, 2015 (UTC)

As per my discussion with WildBrick, go ahead and use the template to include the bulleted lists in the infoboxes, for the objectives and the fail conditions and rewards where there are multiple entries. smurfy (coms) 06:14, March 18, 2015 (UTC)

Pages "Under Construction".
Generally it means at some point someone has been doing work on it. Check the edit history and if no-one has touched it recently, then it is probably "safe" to start workimng on yourself without annoying another editor. That's not to say you cannot work on a page at the same time as somebody else, it would just be polite to engage their talk page to discuss what they are working on to ensure you are not duplicating effort or working contradictorily. In the case of the GTA III Rampages, it hasn't been touched for 12 months, so go ahead and work on it. smurfy (coms) 11:21, March 28, 2015 (UTC)


 * If you can't think of anything else that needs to be added, you can remove the template. If a staff member disagrees, they will re-add it when the edits are checked.  smurfy (coms) 11:48, March 28, 2015 (UTC)

Transcripts
Read the recent discussion. It's not a project I am getting directly involved in, so best you talk to Tom. smurfy (coms) 02:26, March 29, 2015 (UTC)

Order of missions
Tricky subject. The very nature of the sandbox design is that many mission progressions are not strictly linear and can be mixed and matched. Of course missions from a single "mission giver" are normally linear and completion of one normally unlocks that giver's next one with some exceptions; i.e. where continuation of a particular mission strand depends on completion of a mission from a different strand. This is complicated even more in GTA V with multiple protagonists having multiple simultaneous mission giver strands and some of those intersecting at times. If you think there is a glaring error in a mission strand, by all means make a change to the page. If other editors disagree, they will change it back and you can initiate a discussion to explain your logic. smurfy (coms) 22:39, March 30, 2015 (UTC)


 * The GTA IV Missions listing has nothing to do with where the action takes place. They are listed by the unlocked "island" then by the mission giver. The 1st 3 are correctly listed as being given by Jon Gravelli and are not available until Algonquin is unlocked. Same way Three Leaf Clover is listed as a Broker-Dukes-Bohan mission because it is given by the McCrearry's even though it takes place in Algonquin. When you have specific questions like this, sometimes it is best to look at the article talk page first. You'll see there has been previous discussion about the ordering. As mentioned above, they are non-linear and it does not make sense to list them all under each "giver" as certain "givers" get put on hold while the player must complete other strands before returning to the original giver. Laying them out in the "available" order is what has been attempted on that page. smurfy (coms) 08:49, March 31, 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi again, sorry for the delayed response, there are a few things going on elsewhere on the wiki that have required my attention.
 * 1) As I have stated above, the mission structure can not be laid out in a linear manner. See this for a demonstration of how futile it is to try to lay out the mission list in a linear order. The currently laid out order makes sense to me.
 * 2) Stunt Jumps. Go ahead. I have it on my list of things to document but it's a long list, we need all the help we can get.
 * 3) Infoboxes - yes, we are trying to get as many of these built as we can. If you have any ideas for other categories that could use one, let us know and if agreed I can get one built.
 * Thanks smurfy (coms) 01:33, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
 * Introductory Cutscene(s) with dedicated mission page(s).
 * It really depends on how integrated Rockstar had made the cutscene with the start of the first mission. i.e. in GTA:VC, GTA:SA and GTA:IV, they blend right into the start of the first actual mission so are described in the opening mission page, whereas in GTA III, the intro (if I remember correctly - it's been nearly 10 years since I've played GTAIII) it was more of a scene-setter and wasn't as seamlessly integrated into the plot of the first actual player-controlled mission. If The Introduction had opened GTA:SA, it would have had its own mission page then. We certainly don't need to think about splitting the intro cutscenes for every game if that's what you were thinking by this question. smurfy (coms)  10:28, April 22, 2015 (UTC)

RE
Thanks, I will do my best to protect the wiki. Also I saw your message on VaultBoy's Talk page. You should create the transcript pages in GTA IV because no one is working on that. If you need any help with the Transcript pages just ask me. Myth(Talk/Stalk) 09:49, April 22, 2015 (UTC)

Yes, you will also have to describe what is happening(EG-Some one leave the place, or makes a phone call) as well as outside cutscenes dialogues. Myth(Talk/Stalk) 10:28, April 22, 2015 (UTC)

GTA IV Transcripts
Hey man, I noticed that you are planning to make the transcripts for the GTA IV missions, if you need any help with the alternative dialogues during the car rides, or any other secondary dialogue to put in the transcript, I highly recommend you to check this guy's youtube channel, look for his "all possiblities" video playlist, he basically show us very single possible line of dialogue that each of the missions in GTA IV have, it will help you a lot on making this transcripts without playing the game multiple times. - DLVIII   Talk  14:39, April 22, 2015 (UTC)


 * You're welcome. I also added a new line of dialogue in the transcript and decided to use italics on the dialogue spoken in serbian. I think it adds more detail to the transcript. Feel free to message me if you need any help. - DLVIII   Talk  12:19, April 23, 2015 (UTC)

RE: Mission Transcripts
Yeah, sure. If you need to know how to set it out look at one of these. LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 14:47, April 22, 2015 (UTC)

RE:Patroller
Thanks! Yeah, I'll work on the mission objectives as soon as I can (I'll also continue to upload screenshots of GTA III missions). Let me know if you need help with the transcripts. 14:44, April 23, 2015 (UTC)

Road template
It's not a bad idea, but not something I'd want to do halfheartedly. It will take some thought to get a suitable design philosophy.

I'd see it looking something like:

Is that what you were thinking? smurfy (coms) 20:55, April 23, 2015 (UTC)

Turns out, the template already exists:

Template:GTA_V_road smurfy (coms) 03:49, April 25, 2015 (UTC)

The template name does not restrict it to use for GTAV. There is nothing in the end display that identifies the game title, it could be used for any title. smurfy (coms) 03:55, April 25, 2015 (UTC)

RE:GTA IV Transcripts
You don't need to apologise. Theres no rush to finish this transcripts, so create as much as you can, when you can. - DLVIII   Talk  19:47, April 24, 2015 (UTC)


 * Oops! Didn't saw your first question, sorry about that. Well, I am only including dialogue from cutscenes and car rides, thats why I also put the alternative dialogues.


 * The only reason I included that last bit about the bus ride, was because its an fail condition that provoques an cutscene. I think that fail conditions that only provoque an dialogue from the characters can be ignored, otherwise the transcript might get too big, since theres a lot of these in each mission. We can open an exception for the fail conditions that cause an cutscene, since theres very few of these in the game. What do you think? -  DLVIII   Talk  04:00, April 25, 2015 (UTC)


 * I see your point, I think we can open exceptions and include dialogue from cutscenes and phone calls depending of the mission and if that make it easier to understand the context of the dialogue. We can discuss this further in later missions. As for Karen, I think its best to call her Michelle for now, at least until her true identity is revealed, for the sake of spoilers. - DLVIII   Talk  05:27, April 25, 2015 (UTC)

RE:Phone calls in Transcripts
Yeah, include phonecalls. Ones that start the mission, have a purpose in mission (including the humorous friend hang out offers during missions) and ones that are right after the mission that tells the boss the job is done. No need to include random calls after missions (for example optionally calling Roman to tell him about the current events) or character introduction calls at the moment. 15:14, April 25, 2015 (UTC)

RE:RE:Transcripts and Phone Calls
Phonecalls that once accepted, immediately start a mission, (as you said, like in Roman's Sorrow and Hostile Negotiation) should definetely be included, and they should be included in the transcript of the mission unlocked by then, since this phone calls serves to introduce the player to the events of the unlocked mission. - DLVIII   Talk  02:25, April 26, 2015 (UTC)

RE:Editing Difficulty
Done. The page should be good now. Are you going to put the dialogue that happens between Niko and Roman, if Niko chooses to do First Date before Bleed Out in this transcript? - DLVIII   Talk  13:47, April 26, 2015 (UTC)


 * The dialogue which Roman calls Niko to pick him at the hospital if Niko complete First Date before Roman's Sorrow, and the dialogue during the car ride to the cab depot. If you want, I can put this dialogue myself. - DLVIII   Talk  21:27, April 26, 2015 (UTC)

LCS and VCS missions
Personal opinion? I think they look terrible and should be consistently formatted the way the other mission list pages are. smurfy (coms) 21:12, April 26, 2015 (UTC)

Preferences
On mobile, I tend to use the "full site" option bellow the page. It lets you use the regular layout of the site that you see while using a computer, its kind of a pain in the ass to click on things because its so small, but you get used to it. What mission pages are giving you trouble? I think it have something to do with the videos, but I have to confirm this first. - DLVIII   Talk  12:30, April 28, 2015 (UTC)


 * Oops, I didn't check that page, I reverted my edit. - DLVIII   Talk  12:34, April 28, 2015 (UTC)


 * Check this pages again. - DLVIII   Talk  12:40, April 28, 2015 (UTC)


 * I don't know if theres an easier way, but if the video walkthrough on the page uses this type of link, you have to change it and the only way to do it so is by uploading a new video to the wikia, to do this you have to:


 * Go to GTA Series Videos youtube channel.
 * Find in his "GTA IV Walkthrough" playlist the video walkthrough of the mission page you want to edit.
 * Copy the URL of video page.
 * Click the "add video" button that is on the side of the edit page.
 * Paste the URL and follow the instructions.


 * If you did everything right, you will ended up with an video link that looks like this:


 * GTA 4 - Mission 8 - Bull in a China Shop (1080p)


 * Change the middle part of the link to "center", so the video can be placed at the center of the page, it will look like this:


 * GTA 4 - Mission 8 - Bull in a China Shop (1080p)


 * Now just put the video link where the video should be and the page should work normaly again. - DLVIII   Talk  13:38, April 28, 2015 (UTC)